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Twitter 2.0: Our continued commitment to the public conversation

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Re: Twitter 2.0: Our continued commitment to the public conversation

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Post by YokoZar »

MangoCoffee wrote: post #32
monero-xmr wrote: post #18

First Twitter was going to crash in a week, then it was everyone would flee to Mastodon, now it’s that all the advertisers would leave. Maybe Twitter really didn’t need 7500 people, and maybe having more voices speak is a good thing (there is always block button), and maybe advertisers won’t flee forever. That seems more likely to me than Twitter imploding.

Twitter cutting down the bloat and going start up mode is probably the best thing. Twitter before Musk isn't any better than after Musk.

Twitter had been posting profits since 2018, with the exception of last quarter (billion dollar lawsuit payout) and Q2 2020 (pandemic start) https://www.statista.com/statistics/299119/twitter-net-incom...

Post Musk, Twitter's debt was already going for 70 cents on the dollar, and that's before the news of this week

Re: Twitter 2.0: Our continued commitment to the public conversation

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Post by root_axis »

generalizations wrote: post #35
jzelinskie wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Twitter was previously doing A/B tests. Spaces, communities, downvotes, circles, and even moderation were applied only to a subset of accounts while they actively experimented. The new policy is an objectively less scientific approach to testing functionality than what was occurring before.

It's not like A/B tests approach anything like the rigor that we expect from actual science, though.

Based on what reasoning? Data quality with respect to computer systems approaches perfection, it is far more reliable than any data you can hope to approximate in the real world. There is also plenty of "actual science" with terrible data quality, hence the replication crises spanning large sections of the scientific landscape.

Re: Twitter 2.0: Our continued commitment to the public conversation

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Post by rnk »

nickthegreek wrote: post #44
serverholic wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Out of curiosity, what conspiracies is he peddling?

that paul pelosi is a gay man who got beat up by a prostitute he picked up while drinking. https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/30/business/musk-tweet-pelosi-co...

Who is musk hanging out with or reading that encourages his crazy views; he didn't use to be that way, I almost feel sorry that one of the world's riches people is so full of self-justifying bs. For most humans, the idea that you'd laugh at an attack on an 80 year person with a hammer in their home is horrible, out of bounds. There's no reason to believe this story is true of course, but on top of not laughing at horrible attacks, who cares if some older person is having sex with a younger person.

Re: Twitter 2.0: Our continued commitment to the public conversation

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Post by hatefulmoron »

cyberphobe wrote: post #107
memish wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Speaking of "pretending", that is false on both counts.

excellent argument, you sure changed my mind

Can't you see the irony in this when you didn't offer any evidence?

Re: Twitter 2.0: Our continued commitment to the public conversation

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Post by s2radhak »

andreyk wrote: post #12

TLDR: this post is entirely to calm advertisers, it can be boiled down to "don't worry, we still prioritize brand safety like before". It does have this gem in it: "What has changed, however, is our approach to experimentation. As you’ve seen over the past several weeks, Twitter is embracing public testing. We believe that this open and transparent approach to innovation is healthy, as it enables us to move faster an…

that blurb you quoted is just twitter rationalizing for Elon's red-bull fueled tweets to "improve twitter"

Re: Twitter 2.0: Our continued commitment to the public conversation

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Post by bvasilis »

phpisthebest wrote: post #109
aaroninsf wrote: post #37

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It's only weird, if you attempt to parse it with a straight face. This is some B-grade best-effort spin on what has been uncontrolled chaos with predictably awful effects. The only thing keeping Twitter rolling is the majority percentage of the casual niche user in non-political and non-technical niches, who haven't been paying attention to the chaos; and who by virtue of being casual users are not notably surprised…

Twitter has never been more fun, useful, and engaging for me. I signed up for an account after years of refusing to do so after elon took over

Then, if I may ask, how do you have an idea of what it was before?

Re: Twitter 2.0: Our continued commitment to the public conversation

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Post by d23 »

memish wrote: post #104
cyberphobe wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Elon is pretty clearly unbanning violent right-wing extremists while banning rule-following accounts on the left, sometimes transparently at the direction of the right wingers. Why do you insist on pretending anything else?

Speaking of "pretending", that is false on both counts.

He unbanned a right wing extremist who attempted to use Twitter to overthrow the government.

Re: Twitter 2.0: Our continued commitment to the public conversation

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Post by aorloff »

lijogdfljk wrote: post #77
kilroy123 wrote: post #28

Let's be honest – Musk doesn't know what the hell he is doing here.

I'm starting to question how much he has ever. Has something changed with him? Or has he always been like this? If it's always been this rash, hasty and questionable then i can only imagine the real heroes are the people around him who managed to refine what he says and wants into tangible, achievable and coherent goals. Regardless of whether or not you agree with his actions these days, it does at least seem a signi…

He completely underestimated the difference between a corporate takeover of an established company and growing a startup. In addition, he appears to be getting terrible advice, which is not uncommon for powerful people who attract sycophants.

Re: Twitter 2.0: Our continued commitment to the public conversation

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Post by toolz »

cyberphobe wrote: post #100
bluescrn wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Remember way back before the era of social media mob justice, when there was this concept of 'forgiveness'? At least some of the banned deserve a second chance. Those who were total monsters will probably be quickly re-banned. Others have found their own echo chambers elsewhere and won't even bother coming back.

Elon is pretty clearly unbanning violent right-wing extremists while banning rule-following accounts on the left, sometimes transparently at the direction of the right wingers. Why do you insist on pretending anything else?

Which rule following accounts on the left have been banned since musk bought the company? I only know of a couple accounts that were banned for very clearly violating terms of service, i.e. impersonating other people. I personally don't agree with even those bans, but I am curious to know which rule followers were banned.

Re: Twitter 2.0: Our continued commitment to the public conversation

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Post by Terretta »

bastardoperator wrote: post #15

Twitter is totalled. There is no recovery or any amount of repair that will convince anyone that the platform is worth consuming or saving.

Granted there's all sorts of pearl clutching, but odds are Twitter is probably just fine for now as there's no actual alternative.*

Majority of users have no awareness of any of this angst, they're just using it for its niche.

It's popcorn-worthy drama because of the headcount carnage and the culture clash with increasingly vapid corporate ESG posing, while in reality both headcount bloat (particularly non-maker roles) and corporate virtue signaling need a check.

There's a reasonable chance the image hit among various political and tech influencers is soon (months to years) offset by performance and utility gains from getting the other two under control.

All this is off the table if something with less friction gains network effects within the niche.

In that sense I'd agree with you: now's certainly a (rare) time to try to convince folks to change a habit many literally grew up with.

* Mastodon user since spring 2018.

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