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The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph top speed, 46 mile range

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Re: The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph top speed, 46 mile range

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Post by rwmj »

gus_massa wrote: post #106
HNDV wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's ugly because it was made to be as cheap as possible. For example, the "passenger" side door is the same door as the driver side, so the driver's door opens like a suicide door, while the passenger one opens like a conventional door. All elements of the car were made to be as perfectly symmetrical as possible and interchangeable. The so-called abomination has a hope of driving poorer people from A to B, while you…

> so the driver's door opens like a suicide door, while the passenger one opens like a conventional door. Is it really more dangerous than a normal door? Someone is going to use it only when the car is parked anyway. (I'd used the oposite design. A normal door for the driver that is always present and when parked in the street opens the door into transit, and a weird door for the passenger that opens the door into th…

Wikipedia lists some advantages & disadvantages of suicide doors here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_door#Advantages On a modern vehicle moving at most 28 mph they are unlikely to be dangerous.

Re: The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph top speed, 46 mile range

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Post by tialaramex »

unglaublich wrote: post #96
MontyCarloHall wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it’s raining/snowing, or too hot, or too cold, I’d much rather be in an small enclosed car than exposed to the elements on a bike. The Ami has a primitive heater but no air conditioning, but there’s no reason that these limitations are inherent to a vehicle of this size. I imagine an Ami-sized car with creature comforts of a regular vehicle would sell extremely well in cities. Biking is great when the weather is a…

That 'raining, snowing, too hot, too cold' argument keeps coming up. You know, we humans are perfectly capable of dressing up appropriately and just enjoying the fresh air, whether it's warm or cold. In fact, it makes you feel alive! Get the nice warm gloves and raincoat out for winter, or the super light and loose shirt with sunglasses for summer.

You just can't fix the extreme edges this way. Above about 300K that "super light and loose shirt" is still drenched with sweat unless your "assist" is doing all the work or there's a pretty stiff wind.

Below about 250K the "nice warm clothing" needed to make this comfortable would become too bulky to make ordinary movement practical, so we skimp. We tell ourselves nope, we're just not going outside except to do stuff, and then we're coming straight back. Below 200K it's no longer practical to keep humans alive with anything resembling "clothing". You should use a building to keep warm instead. Earth is capable of both these extremes, although outside temperatures below 200K are usually only seen in the Antarctic interior during storms.

Re: The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph top speed, 46 mile range

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Post by domh »

The Citreon Ami was featured on a recent episode of Top Gear, along with 2 other similar vehicles. They drive them around Paris doing various challenges. Link (if you're in the UK or have access to a VPN): https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m001f0wl/top-gear-seri...

Re: The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph top speed, 46 mile range

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Post by iancmceachern »

up2isomorphism wrote: post #78
bambax wrote: post #26

> the £7,695 tiny electric car that has no boot, a 28mph top speed and range of just 46 miles I live in Paris and do everything with an e-bike that also has no boot, no passenger seat, a top speed of ~20mph, a range of ~30 miles... but cost me around €1,200 (since I built it myself). It now has over 7,500 miles. In day trafic it's probably much faster than the Ami, and it can also be put on a train. Couldn't be happi…

It seems people are never thinking what happens if he is getting old. Good luck when you can still ride a bike when you are 70s and in the snow.

Anywhere a bike can go, an electric wheelchair/scooter ("Rascal") can go. I intend on swapping out my bike for one of those when thr time comes.

There are also electric adult tricycles, etc.

Re: The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph top speed, 46 mile range

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Post by rwmj »

zython wrote: post #93

The solution to urban mobility is less cars, not different cars than we have now. >She hates every second of the 1.1-mile journey home, shrinking into the seat to shield herself from the constant finger-points the Ami attracts from passers-by. >She refuses to be seen in it again. Yikes if that were my MIL I'd refuse to be seen with her too. The arrogance and dogmatized manifestation of the motorized individual transp…

Driving 1.8 miles to the gym probably to have a go on a running machine is something else :-/

Re: The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph top speed, 46 mile range

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Post by wreath »

thiht wrote: post #115
unglaublich wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That 'raining, snowing, too hot, too cold' argument keeps coming up. You know, we humans are perfectly capable of dressing up appropriately and just enjoying the fresh air, whether it's warm or cold. In fact, it makes you feel alive! Get the nice warm gloves and raincoat out for winter, or the super light and loose shirt with sunglasses for summer.

Except when you go to work and have to spend the day with your pants and shoes drenched. And if you have glasses, you quickly can't see anything.

Or worse, sweaty and smelly. Be friendly to your colleagues

Re: The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph top speed, 46 mile range

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Post by peoplefromibiza »

ginko wrote: post #108
peoplefromibiza wrote: post #87

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Good for you. That does not invalidate the point of a mean of transport alternative to big empty cars riding one person each and to bikes, that ride one person each and have no trunk. Bikes are also more dangerous than small slow 4 wheeled vehicles. Because, you know, bikes don't stand on their own, their braking abilities are very limited due to very thin tyres, they have no stop and turn signals, no rearview mirror…

>Bikes are also more dangerous than small slow 4 wheeled vehicles. Cars are WAY more dangerous than bicycles.

> Cars are WAY more dangerous than bicycles

wrong.

cars are more dangerous on average (the concept of average should be banned from any statistical analysis) because they travel many many many more kilometers than the average bike and mostly for very long distances at high speed.

But if you notice, I wrote "than slow 4 wheeled cars".

Ami is much safer than a bike, especially for the occupants.

Example: there are 3.75 million cars in Rome urban area (5 million residents)

There were 121 deaths last year caused by car accidents.

It's 32 per million vehicles.

Bike users deaths caused by street accidents have been 50 in the same year.

Meanwhile the number of people brought to ER for either having an accident with an e-bike or and e-scooter have tripled in the past couple of years. Mostly is people falling on their own and hitting their head. Main two reasons: lost balance on the e-scooter, going too fast with their e-bike.

Re: The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph top speed, 46 mile range

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Post by johnisgood »

lm28469 wrote: post #99
MontyCarloHall wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it’s raining/snowing, or too hot, or too cold, I’d much rather be in an small enclosed car than exposed to the elements on a bike. The Ami has a primitive heater but no air conditioning, but there’s no reason that these limitations are inherent to a vehicle of this size. I imagine an Ami-sized car with creature comforts of a regular vehicle would sell extremely well in cities. Biking is great when the weather is a…

As my grandma would say, you're not made of sugar. If the new baseline for human life is to not be exposed to rain and never sweat we can give up now because we'll never manage to make that sustainable.

Aluminium-based antiperspirants work for days between re-use if anyone is worried about sweating (and yeah, according to studies it is not as unhealthy as people think it is, at least not in those amounts, and no one told you to bathe in it).

Not being exposed to rain... well... I dunno, I live in Europe and people just dress up appropriately. Mostly it is just a matter of using an umbrella anyways... and proper clothes, seriously.

Re: The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph top speed, 46 mile range

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Post by Xylakant »

thiht wrote: post #115
unglaublich wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That 'raining, snowing, too hot, too cold' argument keeps coming up. You know, we humans are perfectly capable of dressing up appropriately and just enjoying the fresh air, whether it's warm or cold. In fact, it makes you feel alive! Get the nice warm gloves and raincoat out for winter, or the super light and loose shirt with sunglasses for summer.

Except when you go to work and have to spend the day with your pants and shoes drenched. And if you have glasses, you quickly can't see anything.

I go to work by e-bike. I have a pair of rain pants that I pull over my regular pants, and a rainproof jacket. I wear glasses, but my helmet has a visor. Would a car keep me drier? Yes, absolutely, but I’d still need to walk from parking lot to office, and I’d be stuck with all the other folks in traffic.
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