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Re: KDE runs on the Apple M2 with full GPU acceleration

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Post by jurschreuder »

nu11ptr wrote: post #18
jjtheblunt wrote: post #17

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i'm using it as a daily driver for a couple months easily, but my daily driving happens to not require the not-quite-perfect device drivers. i shutdown for sleep, for instance, which works just fine, since boot and login is super fast and restores everything.

Possibly stupid q: Why buy a mac if you are just going to run Linux on it? I suspect any comparable PC would be more economical (w/ exception of power draw).

Simple:

Apple is the best built laptop. No other brand even comes close.

Linux is the best OS. I have no idea how people can work on Windows, I think other people used to Linux will agree. OSX feels like a really old fork of Linux that has not kept up with the open source Linux.

Re: KDE runs on the Apple M2 with full GPU acceleration

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Post by bonif »

Conan_Kudo wrote: post #57
School-Cotton wrote: post #45

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There are a number of reasons. 1. I prefer Mac hardware to any PC hardware (I don't know any manufacturers who come close to apple in hardware quality, so I don't think the "comparable PC" you cite even exists in reality). 2. I prefer to use Linux, since I'm more familiar with it, I'm more likely to be able to debug it when things go wrong (macOS Just Works more reliably, but when it doesn't, I'm stuck), and also I w…

I would probably suggest that Lenovo comes pretty close to Apple in terms of build quality. I have both Macs and ThinkPads and they both feel pretty good. The Lenovo ThinkPad X1 Carbon Gen 10 is available with Fedora Linux as an option[1] and pretty much everything works out of the box with great performance. If you're in Europe, you can also get the ThinkPad Z13 and Z16 (which are AMD-based laptops) with Fedora as w…

You speak like someone who has never tried an apple silicon laptop, they are in a different league.

Re: KDE runs on the Apple M2 with full GPU acceleration

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Post by hackerfromthefu »

Conan_Kudo wrote: post #57
School-Cotton wrote: post #45

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There are a number of reasons. 1. I prefer Mac hardware to any PC hardware (I don't know any manufacturers who come close to apple in hardware quality, so I don't think the "comparable PC" you cite even exists in reality). 2. I prefer to use Linux, since I'm more familiar with it, I'm more likely to be able to debug it when things go wrong (macOS Just Works more reliably, but when it doesn't, I'm stuck), and also I w…

I would probably suggest that Lenovo comes pretty close to Apple in terms of build quality. I have both Macs and ThinkPads and they both feel pretty good. The Lenovo ThinkPad X1 Carbon Gen 10 is available with Fedora Linux as an option[1] and pretty much everything works out of the box with great performance. If you're in Europe, you can also get the ThinkPad Z13 and Z16 (which are AMD-based laptops) with Fedora as w…

Yeah my expensive Lenovo Slim 7 Pro Carbon edition has just had the hinge fail at 11 months. I'm sick and tired of high end Windows laptops all failing due to hardware issues. I am seriously considering a Mac for the first time in two decades in disgust with the state of reliability of Windows laptops. But I don't want to run Apple software and live in their walled garden.

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Post by tambourine_man »

Maursault wrote: post #120
tambourine_man wrote: post #93

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At release , they mostly were. As soon as G3 was released it screamed. But then Intel kept bumping MHz every 6 months or so. Same with the G5, but that margin lasted even less. The G4 was just a sad period in the PPC line up on desktops. They made for good laptops though.

> The G4 was just a sad period in the PPC line up on desktops. Not really. In 1999, the US government classified them as supercomputers and banned their export to over 50 countries. Apple tried to make hay of it, but almost immediately started lobbying to get the ban lifted. The last G4 tower was released in June 2003 and discontinued a year later and just got old by 2006 because Motorola already left AIM, and IBM wa…

Yeah, I was around back then. It was faster if the code was heavily optimized for AltiVec like Photoshop Gaussian Blur, image interpolation, audio filters, etc. But most general purpose code was not.

The G4s were overclocked for most of their life and stuck behind a 133mhz bus that choked the whole system. The MDDs you cite even gained the unaffectionate “Wind Tunnel” nick name. I hope whoever worked in Pro Tools with such machines had it running in a different room.

I remember a video studio still running a 68k Quadra that had some crazy expensive Avid board in 2001 or something, so I'm not surprised by high end equipment lasting a long time. Though I imagine you could emulate it on a laptop these days. Depending on 20yo hardware that ran really hot for most of its life it's not a recipe for peace of mind.

I was a huge enthusiast of 68k and the PPC and was devastated when Apple switched to Intel. Mediocrity won, I thought. Even though both architectures were much more interesting than x86, the reality of chip manufacturing is that scale is almost everything. Intel had it then, mobile phone chips have it now.

Re: KDE runs on the Apple M2 with full GPU acceleration

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Post by teaearlgraycold »

coldtea wrote: post #53
nu11ptr wrote: post #18

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Possibly stupid q: Why buy a mac if you are just going to run Linux on it? I suspect any comparable PC would be more economical (w/ exception of power draw).

Power+performance, great battery life, great build quality, great hardware...

Yup

Re: KDE runs on the Apple M2 with full GPU acceleration

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Post by jjtheblunt »

hackerfromthefu wrote: post #123
Conan_Kudo wrote: post #57

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I would probably suggest that Lenovo comes pretty close to Apple in terms of build quality. I have both Macs and ThinkPads and they both feel pretty good. The Lenovo ThinkPad X1 Carbon Gen 10 is available with Fedora Linux as an option[1] and pretty much everything works out of the box with great performance. If you're in Europe, you can also get the ThinkPad Z13 and Z16 (which are AMD-based laptops) with Fedora as w…

Yeah my expensive Lenovo Slim 7 Pro Carbon edition has just had the hinge fail at 11 months. I'm sick and tired of high end Windows laptops all failing due to hardware issues. I am seriously considering a Mac for the first time in two decades in disgust with the state of reliability of Windows laptops. But I don't want to run Apple software and live in their walled garden.

why not get a Surface, then? the keyboard is fantastic and magnetically attached, and you could opt for Intel or ARM. disclaimer : i have a Surface Pro X and it's truly excellent build quality.

Re: KDE runs on the Apple M2 with full GPU acceleration

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Post by jjtheblunt »

bombolo wrote: post #115
asguy wrote: post #81

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Lenovo isn't close. I have several generations of X1 Carbons, and they all do terrible things like: - Scratch their own screens when lids are closed - Have failing LCD connectors (especially true with my 4k variant). - Flex terribly. I bought an M2 Air recently, and it's a far better machine.

Apple computers used to break their own plastic by hitting themselves with the closing magnets and some protruding pieces of plastic. I guess it's why they make them of metal now… Less problems with bad design and using the user as a heat sink.

I think metal tends to conduct heat more, so in the fan era they can run quieter

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Post by astrange »

sofixa wrote: post #112
astrange wrote: post #80

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Glossy screens have better picture quality (black levels) in any situation where you can control the lighting. That’s usually true for laptops because you can just put it on your lap and swing around to avoid sunshine.

> That’s usually true for laptops because you can just put it on your lap and swing around to avoid sunshine. So the options are extreme eye strain due to lights/sun/my own reflection, or extreme back pain due to having to sit like a prawn to hide the light from the laptop? I'd take slightly lower visual quality (doesn't matter in the slightest for what i do on a screen) over either of those.

The glossy screens' higher contrast should lead to less eye strain in the end. That's a big reason for better visual quality, like HiDPI displays and OLEDs.

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Post by hackerfromthefu »

jjtheblunt wrote: post #126
hackerfromthefu wrote: post #123

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Yeah my expensive Lenovo Slim 7 Pro Carbon edition has just had the hinge fail at 11 months. I'm sick and tired of high end Windows laptops all failing due to hardware issues. I am seriously considering a Mac for the first time in two decades in disgust with the state of reliability of Windows laptops. But I don't want to run Apple software and live in their walled garden.

why not get a Surface, then? the keyboard is fantastic and magnetically attached, and you could opt for Intel or ARM. disclaimer : i have a Surface Pro X and it's truly excellent build quality.

I heard of significant driver and stability issues on some of them, despite being all MS. How's yours going, software wise?

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Post by rbreaves »

jemmyw wrote: post #114
kitsunesoba wrote: post #44

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> Last year I bought a MacBook, because of the M1, and I can't get used to the "weirdness" of MacOS, specially the keyboard and the window management. For what it's worth, long time Mac users feel that *nix desktops and Windows have the same kind of "weirdness" you describe here. The majority of modern macOS conventions can be traced back to the original 1985 Mac or the 5-10 years following its introduction. I starte…

There is a tool that makes Linux act as if it has Mac keybindings. https://github.com/rbreaves/kinto I've been using it, with some custom config, and it's made life a lot easier as I use a Mac and Linux laptop at the same time.

Thanks for the mention, I have tried hard to be faithful to mac conventions and to be honest it was both a harder and easier problem to tackle, several months.. maybe a year or more before it got to be really solid but it sorta requires one to think about it in layers so you're not really killing yourself to remap every little thing individually lol.
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