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Re: AP fires reporter behind retracted ‘Russian missiles’ story

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Post by _kbh_ » Fri, Nov 25, 2022, 12:38 PM UTC

throwawaymedia wrote: post #120

stoltzmann wrote: post #116

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>The US cannot simply lie about NATO's good intentions, because in Eastern Europe they are not. NATO is a voluntary defense alliance, and countries from Eastern Europe want to join NATO due to the (don't even say it's only perceived, as history shows over and over again) risk of being invaded by Russia. The US are not forcing countries to join NATO. What do you think is not good about NATO's intentions from Eastern E…

This is a proxy war between the US and Russia. Nobody gives a shit about Ukraine. Why do you think the US is pouring money into this war like crazy? There was no threat from Russia before 2007. There were no events to push other countries to join NATO.

> Nobody gives a shit about Ukraine

The outpouring of support, and weapons would disagree with this statement.

> Why do you think the US is pouring money into this war like crazy?

The US gets to decimate an opponents military, damage there arms export industry and damage their economy for just surplus military gear.

The US is destroying Russias military for pennies on the dollar.

> There was no threat from Russia before 2007

Georgia and Moldova would disagree but okay.

> There were no events to push other countries to join NATO.

The wars involving Russia invading former USSR states would disagree.

Re: AP fires reporter behind retracted ‘Russian missiles’ story

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Post by piva00 » Fri, Nov 25, 2022, 4:40 PM UTC

throwawaymedia wrote: post #119

piva00 wrote: post #118

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> Why did Sweden and Finland just decide to join NATO, after more than half a century of neutrality? It's a nitpick but one I believe just expands your point here, I live in Sweden and this country has been neutral and out of wars for more than 200 years. Putin has broken a 200 years stance on neutrality and forced Sweden, under a Social Democrat government nonetheless, to join NATO, something that was unthinkable an…

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Why is Russia so threatened about having a defensive alliance around its borders? Ukraine has been abused by Russia, the Baltics as well, Eastern Europe, these countries chose to protect themselves against Russia, why do you still push the narrative that Russia was threatened? No one was planning to attack Russia, they have fucking nukes, that's preposterous.

Putin is a fascist, looking for lebensraum/spazio vitale, if you don't see that you are a fucking dumb puppet.

Again, go read "Fascism: A Warning", watch the interview with the Russian mouthpiece here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICDCWFHzlq0

You are on the wrong side of history, I hope you can forgive yourself in 20 years. Or probably not, you are deep in it and a true believer, you'll always think you are right.

There's a side here that's right and one that's wrong. The one murdering people, your people is the wrong one.

You stand for truth and justice, unfortunately you don't really know the meaning of that, you actually stand for nothing, you are an empty shell of morality, supporting Putinism based on some cynical view of the world called "offensive realism", you bought into that because of "logic" but your own logic doesn't allow you to see that murdering people (again, your own people) is not right. No matter what Putin wants, or warned against, it's simply and absolutely not morally right.

And you don't stand for that, what a fucking sad state of being.

Re: AP fires reporter behind retracted ‘Russian missiles’ story

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Post by throwawaymedia » Sun, Nov 27, 2022, 5:22 AM UTC

piva00 wrote: post #122

throwawaymedia wrote: post #119

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Why is Russia so threatened about having a defensive alliance around its borders? Ukraine has been abused by Russia, the Baltics as well, Eastern Europe, these countries chose to protect themselves against Russia, why do you still push the narrative that Russia was threatened? No one was planning to attack Russia, they have fucking nukes, that's preposterous. Putin is a fascist, looking for lebensraum/spazio vitale,…

I just can't stress enough the amount of US propaganda you've put in your mouth.

Chechen War has nothing to do with Georgia/Ukraine/NATO/etc. It's a different conflict.

Moldova was attacked by both Russia and Ukraine you simpleton.

The war in Georgia was the result of NATO welcoming Georgia.

Not a single country before the 2007-2008 events joined NATO to get protected from Russia. You are throwing misleading facts and misrepresenting the reality.

NATO knew that Russia would attack Ukraine because that's what they did in Georgia–for the same fucking reason. That's why the US was packing Ukraine with weapon since 2014.

The US doesn't like China's rising economy and the fact that they are friends with Russia, because this partnership negatively affects the US dollar. The US doesn't like they have less leverage in Europe, because it's the Russia who keeps the Europe warm and hooked.

You are naïve as a 5 year old.

I lived in Ukraine for 30+ years and then 10+ years in the US. I know these two countries very well. You know shit.

Re: AP fires reporter behind retracted ‘Russian missiles’ story

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Post by _kbh_ » Sun, Nov 27, 2022, 8:24 AM UTC

throwawaymedia wrote: post #123

piva00 wrote: post #122

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Why is Russia so threatened about having a defensive alliance around its borders? Ukraine has been abused by Russia, the Baltics as well, Eastern Europe, these countries chose to protect themselves against Russia, why do you still push the narrative that Russia was threatened? No one was planning to attack Russia, they have fucking nukes, that's preposterous. Putin is a fascist, looking for lebensraum/spazio vitale,…

I just can't stress enough the amount of US propaganda you've put in your mouth. Chechen War has nothing to do with Georgia/Ukraine/NATO/etc. It's a different conflict. Moldova was attacked by both Russia and Ukraine you simpleton. The war in Georgia was the result of NATO welcoming Georgia. Not a single country before the 2007-2008 events joined NATO to get protected from Russia. You are throwing misleading facts an…

Did you respond to the wrong post?.

> Chechen War has nothing to do with Georgia/Ukraine/NATO/etc. It's a different conflict.

Yes, but it's just another example of Russia being imperialist and invading other countries it feels it has a right to.

> Moldova was attacked by both Russia and Ukraine you simpleton.

The Ukrainians were volunteers, but I guess it was a simple mistake to make, leaving that part out wasn't it.

> The war in Georgia was the result of NATO welcoming Georgia.

So you're saying Georgia was invaded because it tried to join an alliance to defend itself?. Super justifiable war.

> Not a single country before the 2007-2008 events joined NATO to get protected from Russia. You are throwing misleading facts and misrepresenting the reality.

Poland would disagree with this, Poland joined NATO in 1999, inpart at least to protect itself from Russia.

> NATO knew that Russia would attack Ukraine because that's what they did in Georgia–for the same fucking reason. That's why the US was packing Ukraine with weapon since 2014.

NATO has been providing weapons and training to Ukraine to defend itself since 2014, since Russias invasion first started.

> You are naïve as a 5 year old.

Insults like this are against the hackernews rules, please be more respectful in the future.

> I lived in Ukraine for 30+ years and then 10+ years in the US. I know these two countries very well. You know shit.

Appeal to authority is a great logical fallacy but unfortunately, even this appeal is impossible to check as you are using a throwaway. regardless though, just because you "lived" in a country doesn't mean you know anything.

Re: AP fires reporter behind retracted ‘Russian missiles’ story

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Post by ghufran_syed » Mon, Nov 28, 2022, 2:19 AM UTC

piva00 wrote: post #73

kodyo wrote: post #66

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Jesus Christ. Every US president since the end of the cold war has authorized eastward expansion of NATO, an alliance whose enemy no longer exists. The current president was brokering arms deals with Ukraine. The previous president was delivering on those deals. After the 2014 coup, a major Ukraine energy company, which was cozy with Putin, hired the Vice President’s son in order to cozy up with the new America-frien…

> Every US president since the end of the cold war has authorized eastward expansion of NATO, an alliance whose enemy no longer exists. If those countries wish to join NATO why do they need to ask permission to Russia? This argument really doesn't make sense unless you take away sovereignty of states from the equation, some countries decided they wanted to join NATO, should they be blocked to join a defensive militar…

Similarly, Cuba, a sovereign nation, chose to ally itself with the Soviet Union, another sovereign nation. When the Soviet Union decided to put nuclear missiles in Cuba, just 103 miles from the US mainland, did the US support Cuba and the Soviet Union’s “sovereign rights”? No, they were willing to start a potentially nuclear war with the soviet union over the issue. Do you maybe see an analogy here? The key operating principle in international relations is NOT the sovereignty of nations, its that nations states will do whatever is necessary to maintain their power and protect themselves