Why does it have to look like a Macbook?
other than being made out of metal and generally laptop-shaped this doesn't look anything like a macbook
99Wh Battery Linux Laptop
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Re: 99Wh Battery Linux Laptop
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It's also a searing indictment of Linux. I get less than half the battery life on my Alienware AMD laptop under Linux than under Windows. I don't know what Linux is doing wrong here, but it is not energy efficient.
There's a lot of Linux apologists in your replies but my experience is exactly the same _with a laptop that supports Linux_ (Framework laptop). I'm running a very recent kernel in Fedora and have tried numerous power saving mechanisms (currently autocpufreq, although it's results are not much different from gnome PPD) and I'm lucky if I get 3 hours from the thing while running 10-15 FF tabs and a single instance of V…
That's probably because of BDProcHot throttling shenanigans on Windows. It's no use having 9hrs battery life if your CPU runs at 800Mhz.
Re: 99Wh Battery Linux Laptop
#123Why does it have to look like a Macbook?
MacBooks are the most basic form of a laptop. If you remove huge screen bezels, get rid of the cheap plastic case, unnecessary buttons, don’t add a bunch of stickers and logos everywhere, every laptop would look like a MacBook.
Re: 99Wh Battery Linux Laptop
#124Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's also a searing indictment of Linux. I get less than half the battery life on my Alienware AMD laptop under Linux than under Windows. I don't know what Linux is doing wrong here, but it is not energy efficient.
There's a lot of Linux apologists in your replies but my experience is exactly the same _with a laptop that supports Linux_ (Framework laptop). I'm running a very recent kernel in Fedora and have tried numerous power saving mechanisms (currently autocpufreq, although it's results are not much different from gnome PPD) and I'm lucky if I get 3 hours from the thing while running 10-15 FF tabs and a single instance of V…
Wow that’s horrible. I’ve got a 7 year old MacBook with a battery that needs servicing and I can still get nearly 3 hours out of that, and that’s running IntelliJ
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#125There's also the Starlabs Starfighter which is somewhat similar: https://starlabs.systems/pages/starfighter
Re: 99Wh Battery Linux Laptop
#126Earlier quoted context omitted.
There's a lot of Linux apologists in your replies but my experience is exactly the same _with a laptop that supports Linux_ (Framework laptop). I'm running a very recent kernel in Fedora and have tried numerous power saving mechanisms (currently autocpufreq, although it's results are not much different from gnome PPD) and I'm lucky if I get 3 hours from the thing while running 10-15 FF tabs and a single instance of V…
>It's not Linux's fault per se It IS linux's fault, in the way that whenever someone new comes into the ecosystem and says "hey this important thing doesn't work well or is broken for me" and get accosted from all directions by crazy people who haven't touched mac or windows in 20 years who insist that what you describe isn't possible, linux is super easy to fix yourself (lol), and that ideas from computing in the 60…
Interesting comment regarding the window manager, I had to use a Mac at work recently and apparently one has to use 3rd party tools to be able to snap windows. Coming from KDE Plasma I found this astonishing.
Re: 99Wh Battery Linux Laptop
#127I love the idea of fully customizing the hardware of my laptop. I think there are many user out there want to do it as well.
Re: 99Wh Battery Linux Laptop
#128Earlier quoted context omitted.
Some of it's the software being much better. See also: Android vs. iOS battery life. Android's gotten a little better over the years (for a good long while the difference was comically huge) but it's still the case that you need higher specs and a bigger battery to achieve similar apparent responsiveness and battery life with Android. And that's despite iOS bloating pretty badly over the last half-dozen versions. Or…
To be fair, one of these vendors has also access to undocumented APIs that the others need to discover and reverse engineer to level the playing field: https://hacks.mozilla.org/2022/10/improving-firefox-responsi...
It's not quite "reverse engineering" if you just need to read the kernel code (which Apple publishes).
It's undocumented, yes - but it's not like it wasn't there.
Re: 99Wh Battery Linux Laptop
#129Isn't it a searing indictment of the entire Intel laptop chip lineup that a MacBook Air M1 has half the battery capacity (50Wh) while giving easily twice the battery life with as good or better performance -- and with no fans!
It's also a searing indictment of Linux. I get less than half the battery life on my Alienware AMD laptop under Linux than under Windows. I don't know what Linux is doing wrong here, but it is not energy efficient.
Well people are working on it. As a random example I recently stumbled upon the "lazy RCU" patch in Linux. RCU is of course the synchronization mechanism to have mutable shared data across threads where reads don't need mutexes. Did you know that Linux's answer to "how do know this shared pointer can safely be freed" is conceptually to schedule the current thread on every single CPU? That doesn't sound power efficient and it isn't.
https://lore.kernel.org/all/20220901221720.1105021-1-joel@jo...
Re: 99Wh Battery Linux Laptop
#130Isn't it a searing indictment of the entire Intel laptop chip lineup that a MacBook Air M1 has half the battery capacity (50Wh) while giving easily twice the battery life with as good or better performance -- and with no fans!
Asahi Linux has way better battery performance than any typical x86 laptop almost entirely because of the M1 chip itself [1]. Apparently part of the genius of the chip is that they baked a large chunk of the power management logic into the chip itself. I think Linux has work it could do to be more efficient, but really we should just be mad at Intel/AMD for not doing what Apple did years ago. They never even offered…
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