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Re: KDE beats macOS

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Post by luckman212 »

sirn wrote: post #83
jemmyw wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And yet they redesigned preview and hid the damn icon. You can still get the drag thing sometimes, but every time I struggle to find what to drag... is it the title text or just next to it? Sometimes it doesn't work with anything, did I forget where to drag from or does it not work from this file? Who knows, it's very frustrating.

It was very frustrating when they hide the proxy icon behind an obscure modifier key trigger and a delay in Monterey. Thankfully enough complains were made, and they've since added a toggle in Monterey 12.1 to always show proxy icon (Accessibility -> Display -> [ ] Show window title icons).

Terminal equivalent:

    defaults write com.apple.universalaccess showWindowTitlebarIcons -bool TRUE

Re: KDE beats macOS

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Post by nocman »

mongrelion wrote: post #5

I understand where the author is coming from but after going through the list of complaints it became obvious that they haven't fully read the manual as a few of the things that they say is lacking is simply not true. The rest of the points go about design choices and decisions made by Apple, which is fair enough: some opinions you will agree with. Some others you won't. And that's ok.

> a few of the things that they say is lacking is simply not true.

I would be interested in hearing precisely which things you are referring to (just out of curiosity on my part).

Re: KDE beats macOS

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Post by plgonzalezrx8 »

oleg_antonyan wrote: post #99

I had to stop the job interview when suddenly they said that I must use Mac. They ship MacBook to you and you have no choice of using Linux or anything else. Corporate policy. It's literally unusable for me after 15+ years on Linux with KDE (mostly). Tried Mac for 4 months at one of the previous jobs but escaped to a comfort zone. Sometimes habits are too strong, and alternative is not appealing enough.

This seems so elitist that seems crazy to me. Maybe you're not as good as you think you are if a GUI change will literally make you "Literally Unusable".

Especially with the mac terminal being Darwin which is virtually just Unix, and with Brew you can install literally anything you need for your workflow.

I use arch btw.

Re: KDE beats macOS

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Post by KaiserPro »

frizlab wrote: post #64
KaiserPro wrote: post #31

> KDE beats macOS hands down "If you've been using KDE for years and are new to OSX." should be appended to the headline. I'm not going to defend OSX here. It is as obtuse as any other GUI system. My dad was always a KDE fan, I suspect because he had CDE/CDE like GUIs for a long time, and muscle memory is hard to overcome. I never really liked it, however for the longest time it did have more features and polish than…

Personally windows stacking on top of each other is one of my favorite things. As usual YMMV I guess

Ha! thats the thing, one person's annoyance is another's killer feature, something along the lines of https://xkcd.com/1172/

Re: KDE beats macOS

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Post by tyfon »

hbn wrote: post #112
tyfon wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I actually switched to an iphone around 2.5 years ago since teams wouldn't run properly on my old android and the offerings from my company instead of iphone (huawei and samsung) didn't really appeal to me. Now 2.5 years later I switched back due to not being able to make friends with the apple UI despite trying for that long. It feels so constrained and inconsistent to me. The pixel phone I got now is a dream in com…

> Keepass didn't really integrate with ios, in android I can select it as my own "autofill provider" I've been using an iPhone for almost exactly 2 years now and I didn't realized until like a month ago that you can change the default password manager. Unless Keepass just didn't tap into the API (which would surprise me), but Enpass works like a charm and I felt like an idiot for manually going into the app and copy-…

On the pixel phone "it just works" with keepass.

But yeah I didn't know about that option either in iOS after 2.5 years.. It says something about the UI I think.

Re: KDE beats macOS

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Post by sofixa »

koonsolo wrote: post #116
doix wrote: post #6

Intuitiveness is just what you are used to at this point. If you've been in the Apple ecosystem your whole life, then their UX seems intuitive to you. If you haven't, then it makes absolutely no sense. I first touched an apple device in my 20's, there was nothing intuitive about it. I couldn't do anything and was extremely frustrated. I'm sure the same applies to apple folks trying gnome/KDE/windows. People are getti…

I don't agree. I have an Android, and when I go to a product page on the app store, there is this huge "install" button clearly in a different color. Very good UX. I remember receiving a company iPhone years ago. I went to an app store product page, and couldn't find any install button. Totally confused I looked for some menu options or whatever. Turned out you had to click the "free" text behind the app title. Not a…

To expand on this, when you click that install button, you get a progress bar and a notification with that progress, so you can know what's happening and where it's at.

Just got an iPad through work, and i tried to install an app - there was just a loading circle animation, without any context or information. Guess what, it didn't work (but of course it wouldn't say it isn't working, it just kept spinning for tens of minutes), i had to set up a payment method first (for a free app, Obsidian, that supports payments for extra features). What the hell? Why no error message? Why no actual status instead of a useless animation?

Similarly, on macOS, the scroll direction cannot be changed between mouse and trackpad. There is a parameter in both menus, but they switch each other.

Yes, that is terrible UX.

Re: KDE beats macOS

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Post by stratosmacker »

thomassmith65 wrote: post #120

I hate the Mac*, but even so, nothing on that list of complaints is valid. Here's an example of what I consider a valid complaint: the placement of a Mac's app menubar at the top of the screen, instead of the top of an application window, is wrong. Two pieces of evidence: (1) it leads to confusion with multiple monitors and (2) new Mac users invariably have trouble remembering to look for app-specific choices at the…

The former is true, KDE ships with a clipboard manager with history, macos just has copy/paste. You need something like Maccy to manage history.

Re: KDE beats macOS

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Post by oneplane »

None of this has any true value, it's all just taste, human memory and preference. All you can do try try various systems and pick what works for you, while also remembering that you're not the only person in the world, and sometimes a not-as-good experience for yourself can mean a much better integration with the people you live and work with.

Re: KDE beats macOS

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Post by kennend3 »

oleg_antonyan wrote: post #99

I had to stop the job interview when suddenly they said that I must use Mac. They ship MacBook to you and you have no choice of using Linux or anything else. Corporate policy. It's literally unusable for me after 15+ years on Linux with KDE (mostly). Tried Mac for 4 months at one of the previous jobs but escaped to a comfort zone. Sometimes habits are too strong, and alternative is not appealing enough.

I find some of these "use a mac at work" companies do it because boring companies are trying to be "hip and cool".

One place i know uses Java exclusively, but the devs all have macbooks because they are cool?

How/why does a macbook improve java app development vs the standard issue Lenovo's?

It is like these old and boring companies think that by using macs they are suddenly "trendy and hip" and the millennials will flock to them?

Re: KDE beats macOS

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Post by plgonzalezrx8 »

izacus wrote: post #29
ggerganov wrote: post #26

At work I use Gnome and at home I use MacOS - I am used to both environments. I am a C++ developer and spend most of my time in a terminal. Of course, it took some time over the years to have everything customized for my needs, but at the moment I feel equally productive on both. However, if I had to choose one, I will likely stick with Mac though. The performance of the new Apple Silicon chips is amazing and it's go…

Why would hardware have to dictate your choice of software though ?

Because software runs on hardware...... Currently, some software runs INCREDIBLY FASTER and more efficient on M1/M2 Chips (ARM) vs running on X86-64.
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