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Re: What to do if a nuclear disaster is imminent [pdf]

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Post by newbYhrly »

kaoD wrote: post #112
newbYhrly wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There won’t be Rpis, old phones, and WiFi gear laying around?

It's global thermonuclear war. There won't be internet, cell reception, or even a power grid. The radio in those is pretty short distance (ham can do 1000s of Km) and they draw a lot of power that you'll want to save since (if you're lucky) you'll be running on car batteries in remote areas. But now I'm wondering how the aftermath will affect propagation conditions.

Target lists of other nations do not include all large metro areas in the US. A list for Russia was leaked once; by NY, LA, Seattle, but the middle of the country was mostly untouched. Presumably local infra in many areas will be disconnected from the old larger grid but locally intact.

Still functioning gadgets with WiFi will be all over and can make a local mesh network. Dams, wind turbines, utility lines, will remain.

It’s not aliens with doomsday weapons hitting all human occupied places from space.

That said it’s really what survivors do about that. Not hard to see many in shock ending themselves given the lack of hands on survival skills, and connection to the manual labor that keeps us alive, like farming.

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Post by yamtaddle »

ccvannorman wrote: post #117
yamtaddle wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Now it's active shooter drills from kindergarten on. :-/ There was a brief, happy span of a couple decades without duck-n-cover or shooter drills, though.

I went to school during those decades. For us, it was listening to how bad drugs were (grouping in Marijuana with Heroin and the rest) by a police officer lecturing us (they called it DARE - DARE to keep kids off drugs.) I would have preferred duck and cover personally

Hey, DARE assemblies were awesome because at least you weren't in class.

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Post by blaser-waffle »

function_seven wrote: post #13
recursivedoubts wrote: post #4

Controversial take, but I'm going to be pretty upset if there is a global thermonuclear war and we all die, I am not going to sugar coat it.

My entire financial planning model is founded on a lack of global thermonuclear war. Now I need to figure out what to short so I can take advantage of this black swan event? Eh, this is good for crypto.

> Eh, this is good for crypto.

Only if you stockpile lots of GPUs and generators

Re: What to do if a nuclear disaster is imminent [pdf]

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Post by jamal-kumar »

MrRiddle wrote: post #115
deepsun wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are you talking about? They launched dosens (hundreds since Feb 24th) of Kalibr missiles, all the way from Caspian and Black seas.

Everyone now admits it’s Ukrainian, but all media initially reported it was stray Russian missile.

It's quite easy to assume given Ukraine isn't firing in that direction and that it's a weapon that goes back to Soviet times.

I'm glad that it (probably?) didn't turn out to be from Russia, though!

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Post by _carbyau_ »

unsupp0rted wrote: post #119
_carbyau_ wrote: post #76

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Honestly, seems like a couldn't-hurt move. Too close? Incinerated. Doesn't matter. Goldilocks nearby enough for glass shrapnel? Dodged some glass by being under desk! Win! Far away? Heard a distant boom while under desk. Hard to fault really.

The tradeoff is raising generations of children terrified of nukes destroying their world at any moment. Better safe than sorry, as you suggested, but it's not a zero cost strategy.

While true, at that point in time the parents were also similarly terrified.

Schools educate children to fit into society.

That was society at the time.

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Post by gdy »

MrRiddle wrote: post #115
deepsun wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are you talking about? They launched dosens (hundreds since Feb 24th) of Kalibr missiles, all the way from Caspian and Black seas.

Everyone now admits it’s Ukrainian, but all media initially reported it was stray Russian missile.

Everyone but the Ukrainian president who earlier said that the missile was an attack on 'collective security' and demanded from NATO that it swiftly punishes the perpetrator))

Re: What to do if a nuclear disaster is imminent [pdf]

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Post by firecall »

aussiesnack wrote: post #94
firecall wrote: post #73

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Yep, me too! As an X-gen child of the 70s/80s I was at various points terrified of nuclear bombs! Watching Threads when I was way to young didn't help... There are times when I'd lay terrified in bed when I heard a jet engine over my house, and thought it might be a nuclear bomb! An article I read a while back suggested that X-Gen kids have a form of PTSD from the Cold War!

Well I hope you got over it! I never did, in truth.

Honestly, not really!

It's all been dragged up again recently!

Right now, it feels like the Cold War never ended.

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Post by int_19h »

lostlogin wrote: post #108
int_19h wrote: post #66

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In Russia, this kind of training is not a long-gone relic - there's a class in school that's dedicated to survival in various situations, covering all kinds of stuff from emergency first aid to making shelter in the wilds. A subset of that is dealing with anthropogenic disasters, and a subset of that is civil defense. If I remember correctly, we had two hours covering nukes alone - likely targets in the vicinity, wha…

Probably quite handy if that is all the training you get before your call up and your country is threatening nuclear war.

In Soviet times, the class was called "preliminary military training", and focused more on that aspect - not quite to the point where they'd shoot things, but it would involve timed field-stripping an AK, for example, and reading military topographic maps.

After 1991, the military aspects were stripped out, although in many schools they turned into an opt-in afterschool "patriot club" or some such. These were the primary source of videos like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrxjYfl05ek.

Recently, they've announced that they'll be reviving the old Soviet format, so it'll become mandatory for all high schoolers again, beginning with the next school year (starting in September, 2023).

Re: What to do if a nuclear disaster is imminent [pdf]

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Post by deepsun »

kmm wrote: post #97
deepsun wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are you talking about? They launched dosens (hundreds since Feb 24th) of Kalibr missiles, all the way from Caspian and Black seas.

Why are you bringing up Kalibrs if the parent was talking about S-300 type missiles?

You're right, I stand corrected.

Re: What to do if a nuclear disaster is imminent [pdf]

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Post by Gys »

someguy212 wrote: post #105
kaoD wrote: post #82

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This is the only thing that makes me want to learn radio. I don't want to buy expensive gear, but being able to build my own DIY QRP (low-power) DX (long-distance) CW (Morse) transceiver? Count me in. Too bad there doesn't seem to be extensive information to introduce us digital engineers to the hobby. I don't want a kit. I want to learn the fundamentals so I can be ready when the society collapses and the ham überme…

Here you https://disaster.radio/

‘disaster.radio is currently not actively developed and seeks a new maintainer

It is a work-in-progress long-range, low-bandwidth wireless disaster recovery mesh network powered by the sun.’

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