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Post by syrgian »

theonething wrote: post #106
syrgian wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have any indisputable example of this? (as in quick, smart reasoning in real time, so it could not have been written by someone else). It makes sense to me that he would be smart as in raw reasoning capacity, but all the content I have been linked him to made him look pretty normal or even less smart than the average career engineer.

> When I met Elon it was apparent to me that although he had a scientific mind and he understood scientific principles, he did not know anything about rockets. Nothing. That was in 2001. By 2007 he knew everything about rockets - he really knew everything, in detail. You have to put some serious study in to know as much about rockets as he knows now. This doesn't come just from hanging out with people. Robert Zubrin…

Thanks, I appreciate the links and will come back to them if Elon ever falls in grace with those people. If they don't change their opinion that would be a decent proof of his intelligence.

For now, however, I would prefer a video of the many interviews he takes instead of quotes of people that have a lot to gain from praising Elon (and a lot to lose if they criticized him). Is there any quote from any of the people in that thread that paint Elon in a bad light? I know for sure there are many things bad Elon, from his direct actions. Do they ever comment on that or would they lose their livelihood within a day if they did?

Re: Twitter now asks some fired workers to please come back

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Post by pkteison »

Laaas wrote: post #71
grecy wrote: post #48

So I've seen every news agency on the planet run this story, and they either cite each other in a huge circle, or they cite "people familiar with the matter". Do we have 100% concrete first-hand documented evidence this actually happened to more than -let's say- 10 people? Somehow, I highly doubt it.

It seems to me that unfortunately there's a lot of "tesla man bad" going around, causing dubious stories to be spread before they're verified. You'll also see lots of people claiming Musk somehow broke employment law by not giving notice of termination, which is unproven, and in direct contradiction with what he tweeted himself (he said everyone gets ~90 days of salary IIRC).

it’s weird. The WARN law requires notice, but, the penalty for violating the law is you have to pay people 60 days of pay. So paying instead of providing notice is technically illegal, but enforcement is pointless if you pay people with no additional conditions. That being said, if you make the pay conditional such as requiring a non disparagement clause, that can be a problem, and is likely going to be a problem here. (Can’t be sure yet, I don’t believe anyone has the details from Twitter yet)

https://webapps.dol.gov/elaws/eta/warn/faqs.asp

Re: Twitter now asks some fired workers to please come back

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Post by theonething »

syrgian wrote: post #121
theonething wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> When I met Elon it was apparent to me that although he had a scientific mind and he understood scientific principles, he did not know anything about rockets. Nothing. That was in 2001. By 2007 he knew everything about rockets - he really knew everything, in detail. You have to put some serious study in to know as much about rockets as he knows now. This doesn't come just from hanging out with people. Robert Zubrin…

Thanks, I appreciate the links and will come back to them if Elon ever falls in grace with those people. If they don't change their opinion that would be a decent proof of his intelligence. For now, however, I would prefer a video of the many interviews he takes instead of quotes of people that have a lot to gain from praising Elon (and a lot to lose if they criticized him). Is there any quote from any of the people…

> quotes of people that have a lot to gain from praising Elon

The two people I quoted don't work for Elon so it doesn't seem like they have much to gain or lose either way. Same with John Carmack, Liam Sarsfield and Eric Berger.

> any quote from any of the people in that thread that paint Elon in a bad light

I haven't read the biography or anything like that on Musk, so I'm not sure. I imagine though their opinions of him aren't all positive. The thread I posted selects for the positive ones to prove that Musk is indeed chief engineer at SpaceX.

Re: Twitter now asks some fired workers to please come back

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Post by GrooveSAN »

Melting_Harps wrote: post #114
RavingGoat wrote: post #109

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How much did he pay them to get them to say those things? He's clearly overmatched currently.

> How much did he pay them to get them to say those things? He's clearly overmatched currently. Zubrin? One now very badly decaying hab at MDRS? Oh, and I think he might have chipped in for the observatory via the 'Musk foundation.' My point of contention is that how can you expect to be taken serious as the 'Chief Engineer' at SpaceX, and be abreast of all of the mintua of Starship/Starlink/Falcon etc... when you're…

   > how can you expect to be taken serious as the 'Chief Engineer' at SpaceX, (...)when you're also the CEO (...) and still on Twitter shitposting all day (...)
Hardcore emphasis on all day I’d assume. Just don’t fire Netflix as soon as you’re back home, actually do not get back home, and spend an insane amount of hours on the field will get you to a place where you can legitimately be in charge (CEO) and understand deeply the business (chief engineer) - aka become chief micromanager.

And that somewhat explains the rest of the personality: skip enough hours of sleep and you’ll finally end up as an over-sensitive, selfish bro.

Not exactly saying the above is a sane way of living and doing things that should be praised, but I personally respect him for the passion/time he puts in the process, which at the end of the day is the reason why some like-minded engineers are working for/with him on his bold visions, even if they don’t have as much skin in the game as him, financially speaking.

I mean, he’s not faking it, and that goes a long way when selling a narrative and embarking your next partner, whether a banker or an engineer.

Re: Twitter now asks some fired workers to please come back

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Post by Melting_Harps »

GrooveSAN wrote: post #124
Melting_Harps wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> How much did he pay them to get them to say those things? He's clearly overmatched currently. Zubrin? One now very badly decaying hab at MDRS? Oh, and I think he might have chipped in for the observatory via the 'Musk foundation.' My point of contention is that how can you expect to be taken serious as the 'Chief Engineer' at SpaceX, and be abreast of all of the mintua of Starship/Starlink/Falcon etc... when you're…

> how can you expect to be taken serious as the 'Chief Engineer' at SpaceX, (...)when you're also the CEO (...) and still on Twitter shitposting all day (...) Hardcore emphasis on all day I’d assume. Just don’t fire Netflix as soon as you’re back home, actually do not get back home, and spend an insane amount of hours on the field will get you to a place where you can legitimately be in charge (CEO) and understand de…

> I mean, he’s not faking it, and that goes a long way when selling a narrative and embarking your next partner, whether a banker or an engineer.

I've said it before but I think he is PT Barnen 2.0: that doesn't mean he hasn't taken immense financial risk, it's just that he is marketer cosplaying as 'aerospace engineer' and will pick and chose what he is a savant depending on what meds he decided to take that day--no one asked him to make a submarine to save children in Thailand.

Which is what was necessary to get the masses interested, sure, but has ultimately back-fired at this point.

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