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Home truths about macOS

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Re: Home truths about macOS

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I run Linux on my 2015 iMac. Just upgraded it to Ubuntu 12.10, works great and loving the latest Gnome.

I guess you mean 22.10...

Na, they installed Quantal Quetzal to get some experimental TLS1.2 support after they could no longer connect to anything with TLS1.0

Re: Home truths about macOS

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This is simply how Apple does things. They provide software support for ~10 years and then they drop it. Is it wrong? I’m not entirely sure. You can call that greedy, but take a few things into consideration. Firstly, Apple provides highly specialized software that runs extremely well and efficiently on their own hardware. Continuously providing support for old hardware while simultaneously maintaining the same level…

> This is simply how Apple does things. They provide software support for ~10 years and then they drop it. Monterey was released in 2021 and dropped support for my 2014 MacBook Pro, so that's only 7 years. It's fair to say that you can continue to run macOS N-1 and N-2, which would add years of life, but the author of the linked article is trying to argue that you're not safe unless you're running the latest major ve…

Well, that’s 7 years of major updates with all the security fixes. Moreover, Apple continues to release minor versions for devices that are not supported anymore, in order to fix major flaws that are actively exploited ITW (see iOS from 12.4.2 to 12.5.6, those are a lot of minors released over the years to address 0d ITW, same thing happens with macOS)

Re: Home truths about macOS

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But at least we all know 3 came before 7, 11 followed 10 etc. Vista was 8. Dunno what happened to 9 but I'll never remember the order of 'name'. Same with android....kit kat was version what now?

Vista came before 7, so I guess it was 6? Then there was XP before that, which I suppose was 5?

Windows 2000 was NT 5.0, XP (32-bit) was NT 5.1, Windows 2003 NT 5.2.

Vista was the first of the NT 6 series. However Windows 7, 8/8.1 and the related server versions were also NT 6.x

Re: Home truths about macOS

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> It’s safer to delay upgrading This is my policy for most of my software unless there's some kind of critical exploit. Software updates have been the cause of many breakages for me, but I have not (yet) been affected by running out-of-date software (to my knowledge).

I avoid updating my software like the plague. Actually, the reason I switched to Firefox is because Chrome's updater snuck past my firewall. That is literally the only reason why. I am considering switching back after seeing how terrible Firefox is. For example, it has a memory leak that causes a crash after 3-4 days of uptime.

I wonder if just maybe an update might… fix a bug?

Re: Home truths about macOS

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I wish apple would do 'best effort' support on older macs. Meaning, it'll let you install after you click thru two pages of warnings, and might work, or might not.

This is a much more sensible approach vs the "installer lock" apple took.

But it isn’t the way Apple does things. They obviously don’t want Apple computers in the wild running a version of an Apple OS that might or might not work.

Re: Home truths about macOS

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This is a much more sensible approach vs the "installer lock" apple took.

But it isn’t the way Apple does things. They obviously don’t want Apple computers in the wild running a version of an Apple OS that might or might not work.

Yes.. artificially limiting them from upgrading by checking the SMBIOS in the installer and preventing an upgrade is MUCH BETTER for the users.

And as posted here several times, what about those who use opencore legacy patcher and upgrade despite the block. What "doesn't work" for them?

SO to your point, apple prefers machines in the wild running an old and out of date OS because???

Re: Home truths about macOS

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I’ve been leaning the same way. I’m curious why you also lean towards BSD instead of Linux? It’s a gut feeling for me after watching the Linux ecosystem churn a lot and seeing BSDs with well documented core systems and the “core/ports” distinction make clear what is and isn’t really supported

I prefer BSD to Linux for a few reasons. Firstly, BSD is not encumbered by GPL. Also, any BSD is a complete operating system while Linux requires distros subject to the whims of their creators, which seem to focus on form over function. Any long term stability is almost accidental, and there is no standard edition of Linux. Lastly and I think most importantly, the centralized BSD ports system is more trustworthy than…

> Firstly, BSD is not encumbered by GPL. Also, any BSD is a complete operating system while Linux requires distros subject to the whims of their creators, which seem to focus on form over function

This "BSD is a complete operating system" that you speak of... Do you mean FreeBSD, OpenBSD, NetBSD, DragnonFly BSD, Darwin?

Thankfully BSD is not subject to teh whims of any distro?

Re: Home truths about macOS

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I’ve been leaning the same way. I’m curious why you also lean towards BSD instead of Linux? It’s a gut feeling for me after watching the Linux ecosystem churn a lot and seeing BSDs with well documented core systems and the “core/ports” distinction make clear what is and isn’t really supported

I'm much more familiar with OpenBSD and FreeBSD on the server-side, and I don't feel real comfortable with Linux. The two biggest vendors, Red Hat and Ubuntu, don't really give the warm fuzzies. Maybe something like System 76 backs.

There is always OpenDarwin/PureDarwin?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darwin_(operating_system)

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