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Re: The New York Times made a weird editorial decision with its tech coverage

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Post by anticrisis »

LAC-Tech wrote: post #76
froh wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

media == tech these days. twitter, Instagram, TikTok, FB, they are media, YouTube is media.

When it comes to the business of telling you what the nature of the world is and how to think, it's really impossible for me to conjure up something more authoritative than the New York times. Sure there's people on social media saying things, but the stuff that's an echo of the NYT sounds right and true, the stuff that's against it sounds low-brow and coarse.

That is your educated perspective. A larger share of Americans place greater trust in what they hear about public issues on social media from interesting personalities than in the NYT, sadly.

Re: The New York Times made a weird editorial decision with its tech coverage

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Post by AbrahamParangi »

vietthan wrote: post #119
AbrahamParangi wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand how you can say this when many of the largest tech companies have first immigrant CEOs. Of the top 10 tech companies globally, 4 (Meta, Apple, Tesla and Amazon) have CEOs of European descent. Is the position of CEO not "culturally influential"?

We would need to look at the ethnicity statistics across C-level executives. Rishi Sunak is the British PM but I can say "UK politics and government is still dominated by Whites" and the British Parliament would agree with me [1] https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn01...

That document says that Britain is 87% white I mean I don't know what you expect.

Re: The New York Times made a weird editorial decision with its tech coverage

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Post by swooni »

AbrahamParangi wrote: post #117
swooni wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Biggest example is the idea that it's dominated by a culture of white tech bros, when in fact it's dominated by highly educated and hard-working Indian and Chinese immigrants. Those are two related but also completely different things. Just because immigrants work at these companies doesn't mean they have a large impact on the overall culture, especially not the outward facing culture, and they certainly aren't dom…

I don't understand how you can say this when many of the largest tech companies have first immigrant CEOs. Of the top 10 tech companies globally, 4 (Meta, Apple, Tesla and Amazon) have CEOs of European descent. Is the position of CEO not "culturally influential"?

I didn't say it didn't exist. Considering how many Chinese and Chinese Americans work in the tech industry how many famous entrepreneurs, venture capitalist or programmers of such descent do you know of that the average hackers news reader or even the average person will know of? I bet that for most people it's few.

The argument was that investigating "tech bro" culture is frivolous because the tech industry is made up of immigrants and that is simply not true. It's still very much a prevailing culture. Heck, this entire discussions stems from "what is Elon Musk going to do (next)?" after replacing the CEO of Indian descent.

I wouldn't say the same thing about hardware. But that also isn't nearly as influential and also not a hot topic either.

Re: The New York Times made a weird editorial decision with its tech coverage

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Post by scrozier »

BurningFrog wrote: post #80
_zgx0 wrote: post #2

>Instead of covering the [tech] industry with a business press lens or a consumer lens they started covering it with a very tough investigative lens — highly oppositional at all times and occasionally unfair. ... >Tech executives and investors mostly did not like this change, for understandable reasons. And I mostly agree with them on the merits. The author agrees - that the tech industry should not be subject to inv…

> The author agrees - that the tech industry should not be subject to investigative coverage? That this very basic failure of reading comprehension has been voted to the top is both sad and surprising.

That this very basic lack of clarity in writing was misunderstood is unsurprising.

Re: The New York Times made a weird editorial decision with its tech coverage

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Post by squokko »

vietthan wrote: post #119
AbrahamParangi wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand how you can say this when many of the largest tech companies have first immigrant CEOs. Of the top 10 tech companies globally, 4 (Meta, Apple, Tesla and Amazon) have CEOs of European descent. Is the position of CEO not "culturally influential"?

We would need to look at the ethnicity statistics across C-level executives. Rishi Sunak is the British PM but I can say "UK politics and government is still dominated by Whites" and the British Parliament would agree with me [1] https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn01...

Conversely, if you say that "UK politics and government is dominated by Whites" without mentioning that the Prime Minister is of Indian origin you are making an equally misleading omission.

Re: The New York Times made a weird editorial decision with its tech coverage

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Post by froh »

anticrisis wrote: post #121
LAC-Tech wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When it comes to the business of telling you what the nature of the world is and how to think, it's really impossible for me to conjure up something more authoritative than the New York times. Sure there's people on social media saying things, but the stuff that's an echo of the NYT sounds right and true, the stuff that's against it sounds low-brow and coarse.

That is your educated perspective. A larger share of Americans place greater trust in what they hear about public issues on social media from interesting personalities than in the NYT, sadly.

the NYTimes at this time has 4.sth Mio subscribers and 10k videos, indeed:

https://youtube.com/c/nytimes

Re: The New York Times made a weird editorial decision with its tech coverage

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Post by [deleted] »

squokko wrote: post #126
vietthan wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We would need to look at the ethnicity statistics across C-level executives. Rishi Sunak is the British PM but I can say "UK politics and government is still dominated by Whites" and the British Parliament would agree with me [1] https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn01...

Conversely, if you say that "UK politics and government is dominated by Whites" without mentioning that the Prime Minister is of Indian origin you are making an equally misleading omission.

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Re: The New York Times made a weird editorial decision with its tech coverage

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Post by swooni »

squokko wrote: post #126
vietthan wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We would need to look at the ethnicity statistics across C-level executives. Rishi Sunak is the British PM but I can say "UK politics and government is still dominated by Whites" and the British Parliament would agree with me [1] https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn01...

Conversely, if you say that "UK politics and government is dominated by Whites" without mentioning that the Prime Minister is of Indian origin you are making an equally misleading omission.

That isn't something I said so there is no "equally misleading omission".
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