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iPhone 14 Pro camera review: A small step, a huge leap

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Re: iPhone 14 Pro camera review: A small step, a huge leap

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Post by TaylorAlexander »

packetlost wrote: post #105
sys32768 wrote: post #47

I am still not understanding why my iPhone 13 landscape photos look as good as those from my $900 Nikkor Z 24mm f/1.8 S prime lens with its superior optics on a $2k DSLR body. If the reason is fancy post-processing, then why can't Nikon have a tiny lens like the iPhone 13 and just add fancy post-processing to it?

Try zooming in, even a little bit. You'll notice squiggly oversharpening artifacts pretty quickly. Yes they probably look fine on a phone screen, but blow them up at all and they start to show their weaknesses

The oversharpening on the iphone is so frustrating! I like the utility of the basic camera app, but the pictures look so weird. I guess I should explore alternative apps.

Re: iPhone 14 Pro camera review: A small step, a huge leap

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Post by cthalupa »

foldr wrote: post #56
Mikeb85 wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn't say a phone camera isn't better for the average consumer... I use my phone camera far more often than my actual camera... But there's no world in which it's technically superior to a real camera, especially one with in-camera processing or in the hands of a professional with access to and skill with professional post-processing software.

>real camera A minor and pedantic point, but could we stop with the idea that smartphone cameras are somehow not 'real'? They are enormously sophisticated imaging devices that comprehensively outperform, for example, the 35mm film SLRs that many photographers were using in the 90s. An iPhone 14 enables you to take technically superior photos to the photos that professional photographers were taking only a couple of d…

>They are enormously sophisticated imaging devices that comprehensively outperform, for example, the 35mm film SLRs that many photographers were using in the 90s.

I'm not so sure about that. I'm impressed by what smartphone cameras do these days, but the Nikon F100 snuck into the 90s and beats the pants off my iPhone 14 Pro's camera, while still being very much in the hobbyist/prosumer price range.

Re: iPhone 14 Pro camera review: A small step, a huge leap

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Post by squeaky-clean »

bosie wrote: post #65
mkaic wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Until that same fancy processing is available on a DSLR, I think the comparison OP is making is valid. At the end of the day, what I as a consumer care about is "is photo look 1. pleasing, 2. accurate to my perception, and 3. easy to create?" and in those regards, the iPhone absolutely outperforms every DSLR I've ever used.

Couldn't you take those photos and apply it back on the computer? Yet when i try to do HDR with 5 shots in Lightroom, it takes 10s of seconds or even minutes. It seems computer haven't caught up either?

Take a photo with your iPhone and very quickly tap the thumbnail of the new image that appears in the bottom left. You can watch it progressively process the image.

Re: iPhone 14 Pro camera review: A small step, a huge leap

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Post by cthalupa »

MBCook wrote: post #119
jibbers wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is the thinking behind the "no detachable lens cameras" rule? I can't wrap my head around that choice.

I would guess to prevent professionals from taking pictures “for free” instead of getting contracts with the bands/venues and paying fees for the privilege. Or maybe they just annoy other patrons.

I have managed to get a press pass for some shows and bring my a7r3, nice lenses, etc. I've never been asked to pay any sort of fee for the pass.

Re: iPhone 14 Pro camera review: A small step, a huge leap

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Post by MBCook »

pigtailgirl wrote: post #29

-- anyone else find it annoying how protruded the lens is? --

You’re not wrong at all. My 12 Pro was much better, but still a bit annoying.

But optics can’t beat physics. Better cameras need more space for lenses and sensors. They could make the whole phone thicker, but haven’t done that yet.

The trajectory seems unsustainable. We’ll see what happens I guess.

Re: iPhone 14 Pro camera review: A small step, a huge leap

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Post by MBCook »

Mikeb85 wrote: post #9
m348e912 wrote: post #3

The iPhone 14 has a fantastic camera. It's a noticeable improvement from previous models and takes fantastic photos that rival or surpass many SLR cameras on the market. If Apple had taken another leap and included usb-c port it would have been enough for me to upgrade. For now, I wait.

Phones don't rival or surpass DSLRs or any proper digital camera. They just have lots of fancy processing that makes quick snaps look better than the same amount of effort on a camera.

I always wonder what a one-off joint Apple DSLR/mirrorless could be. If they provided the smarts for a Sony or Canon or Nikon, just how good could the pictures be?

Too bad we’ll never know.

Re: iPhone 14 Pro camera review: A small step, a huge leap

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Post by adrr »

Mikeb85 wrote: post #9
m348e912 wrote: post #3

The iPhone 14 has a fantastic camera. It's a noticeable improvement from previous models and takes fantastic photos that rival or surpass many SLR cameras on the market. If Apple had taken another leap and included usb-c port it would have been enough for me to upgrade. For now, I wait.

Phones don't rival or surpass DSLRs or any proper digital camera. They just have lots of fancy processing that makes quick snaps look better than the same amount of effort on a camera.

Raw photo off DSLR is very bland looking till you process it. No one is using raw information off a sensor as a final product and you need "fancy" processing to make it decent looking.

Re: iPhone 14 Pro camera review: A small step, a huge leap

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Post by MBCook »

jeffbee wrote: post #71

I guess the physics of the problem are really against these tiny cameras, but even so the bokeh on the caterpillar macro shot is surprisingly painful. Is there anything they can do about that, optically or computationally?

A real macro lens on a DSLR is like that. You could stop the lens down for more to be in focus, but then because you’re getting close to a pinhole camera you need a TON of light.

Maybe the iPhone would do better in studio conditions, I don’t know.

But it’s a very tough problem.

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