Was the code printed on paper?
Sure looks that way.
Tesla engineers were on-site to evaluate the Twitter staff’s code, workers said
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Re: Tesla engineers were on-site to evaluate the Twitter staff’s code, workers said
#122Earlier quoted context omitted.
Tesla engineers don't just work on in-vehicle code though. The servers and systems needed to implement Tesla's telemetry and software updates would be in the same ballpark of expertise, albeit with much less scale and different requirements than Twitter. But Musk got started by confounding x.com/PayPal, which does have very similar engineering needs as Twitter. It's not like Musk is a newbie to this stuff, people pre…
We've gotten quite a few public comments from Musk on what he plans to do with Twitter, and they indicate total cluelessness from a product and engineering point of view. There's nothing to indicate an appreciation for the unique challenges Twitter has in balancing free expression with appeal for advertisers (or even that these needs might be in conflict), or even on the subtleties in what free speech even means for…
I’m taking a “let’s wait and see” approach to Elon’s Twitter.
It’s much more comfortable than all the public kvetching
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#123I'd be pissed off if I were a TSLA stock owner. Is Twitter paying Tesla to contract out these employees for their work? Otherwise, it's tons of thousands of dollars Tesla is pissing away on behalf of the CEO's side-hustle.
Totally valid opinion. Tesla needs to be focused on delivering cars and software. They can't be distracted. This also hurts the banks who are looking at Tesla stock as collateral. By lumping their activities, both companies are now at risk.
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#124I'd be pissed off if I were a TSLA stock owner. Is Twitter paying Tesla to contract out these employees for their work? Otherwise, it's tons of thousands of dollars Tesla is pissing away on behalf of the CEO's side-hustle.
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#125> One former Tesla engineer, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to candidly describe the matter but was not involved, said Tesla engineers would have trouble capably assessing Twitter’s code. Distributed systems, the large-scale and spread-out network that Twitter is composed of, are not the automaker’s specialty, the person said. > The “idea of Elon being flanked by his Tesla engineers reviewing Twitter code is…
What a weird thing to say. I can evaluate any code. If it’s code I’m unfamiliar with it takes longer, and the result is more variable, but it’s far from impossible.
It’s certainly more reliable than the evaluation of the person whose job depends on it being evaluated as correct.
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#126I think the goal here is to get people to quit voluntarily by doing the most ridiculous things possible.
With the obvious problem that all the valuable people know their worth, and are just sending CVs to Google/Amazon/Microsoft/Meta right now.
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#127Earlier quoted context omitted.
What hubris to think that your system is so complex that other engineers couldn't understand it.
Oh please, that's a ridiculous assessment of what was said. Coding giant distributed web apps is a very different domain than coding for cars. I wouldn't put much stock in Twitter engineers assessing self driving car code either.
"Tesla engineers don't just work on in-vehicle code though. The servers and systems needed to implement Tesla's telemetry and software updates would be in the same ballpark of expertise, albeit with much less scale and different requirements than Twitter."
-- hn_throwaway_99 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33389128
Re: Tesla engineers were on-site to evaluate the Twitter staff’s code, workers said
#128Surprised how sceptical all the comments here are. Dick or not the guy has a talent for building companies
Can you elaborate on this argument? I don't really understand his companies as "well built" in any reasonable sense that I can identify.
"His companies make him and many of his investors wealthy" sure, no disagreement from me. But "well built" is a different metric, and I think that's highly arguable.
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#129Surprised how sceptical all the comments here are. Dick or not the guy has a talent for building companies
Or Twitter was run incompetently since its founding. We wouldn't be in this shit show if Twitter wasn't a disaster to begin with. Edit: Grammar
Twitter just took itself private for 42 billion dollars. I'd say it was run very, very competently. Hall-of-fame leadership, really.
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SpaceX does the same thing with Tesla engineers, and they pay contracting fees to do this, which is completely above board legally speaking.
That doesn't strike me as being any better; in fact, it reeks of conflict-of-interest. Software consulting AFAIK is not one of Tesla's normal business verticals. The stockholders deserve an explanation for the following questions, at a minimum:
1. Why is engaging in said consulting the highest-and-best use of Tesla's resources, from a profit maximization perspective? The fact that there's a precedent set with SpaceX isn't a justification, since SpaceX is another toy in Musk's toy chest, so the conflict of interest remains.
2. What rate is Twitter / SpaceX paying Tesla for said services? Are those friend-prices or market-prices? If the rate is either too high or too low, Musk could be accused of self-dealing.
3. What kind of bidding process did Twitter put out on these consulting services before settling on Tesla? If I'm one of the investors funding this Twitter purchase, I'd want to know. I wouldn't be surprised if the SEC wants to know, as well. How do Twitter investors know that they're getting the best bang for their consulting buck with engineers whose industry focus so far has been automobile-specific?
4. Lastly, what work would these engineers otherwise be doing at Tesla, and what happens to the product roadmap of those teams now that they're working with fewer resources? Musk is already notorious for promising new features are just around the corner, and failing to deliver. Missing a launch date because supply chain issues is one thing; missing it because the CEO yanked key engineers off the team to go QA his new hobby horse is something else. Such a date miss could have financial implications for Tesla, which would negatively impact Tesla investors.