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Elon Musk Owns Twitter; CEO and CFO have left

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Re: Elon Musk Owns Twitter; CEO and CFO have left

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Post by eatsyourtacos »

lupire wrote: post #77
epakai wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The people didn't vote him in the first time. We just have weird rules that enable our minority party to win the presidency. This is often claimed to prevent tyranny of the majority, but it's not a boon for democracy, rather a way to limit the extreme outcomes of democracy. It's never good when someone denies the legitimacy of the very system that brought them into power. This is the part that makes him "terrible for…

Come on. 50million+ people voted for him. Maybe he "shouldn't have won" in some technical senses (but not others), but to say he wasn't hugely supported by the Demos, the People, is ridiculous. Embezzling every penny he could, modeling himself after Hitler, raising a mob to storming the capital to kidnap the vice president, and filing fake lawsuits about the election, was far far worse than losing the unofficial popu…

>Come on. 50million+ people voted for him

50 million+ people voted for a republican or non-democrat, they didn't vote "for trump". Just like when Biden won, 70 million+ people weren't voting for Biden, they were voting for a democrat, non-republican, or more specifically: anyone but Trump.

It's insanity when there are, for all intents and purposes, two people on a ballot to say "we chose this person specifically!!!". No you didn't, you chose one of the two options that was given to you, and since they are normally on the opposite end of the political spectrum you just chose the one "closest" to your views out of the two. Almost everything that happened up until that point is literally out of any normal individual person's control.

Re: Elon Musk Owns Twitter; CEO and CFO have left

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Post by Meekro »

joshmn wrote: post #14

A part of me is curious about what will happen next. And then there is a part of me, as a participant of whatever democracy is left in the United States, is concerned with what could happen if a particular user is allowed to use Twitter again after their orchestration of certain events.

The only way to protect democracy is by silencing your political opponents.

Re: Elon Musk Owns Twitter; CEO and CFO have left

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Post by eatsyourtacos »

elforce002 wrote: post #95

If Elon is true to his word, then twitter will be the best social platform to discuss topics in realtime and listen to different points of view and make our own conclusions. None one can say we have that right now. Facebook, instagram, TikTok are left wing. Truth social, gettr, etc... Are right wing. Where's the "neutral", centric platform? There's none. Twitter could become this platform. I'm not in Truth social but…

>None one can say we have that right now. Facebook, instagram, TikTok are left wing. Truth social, gettr, etc... Are right wing

>Where's the "neutral", centric platform?

Are you.. serious? You construct this statement as if Facebook, instagram, tiktok, reddit etc are somehow mandated or left wing by some fake construction..

Truth social, gettr and whatever other bullshit people made are the only ones created for people of some specific viewpoints to go there because they don't understand they are in the vast minority on their views which is why no one wants to hear about their bullshit on the rest of the internet.

So maybe you should be asking yourself the simple question: if every neutral platform naturally swings left.. hmm, that couldn't possibly mean because most people are actually more left leaning in this country?

Re: Elon Musk Owns Twitter; CEO and CFO have left

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Post by majani »

eatsyourtacos wrote: post #123
elforce002 wrote: post #95

If Elon is true to his word, then twitter will be the best social platform to discuss topics in realtime and listen to different points of view and make our own conclusions. None one can say we have that right now. Facebook, instagram, TikTok are left wing. Truth social, gettr, etc... Are right wing. Where's the "neutral", centric platform? There's none. Twitter could become this platform. I'm not in Truth social but…

>None one can say we have that right now. Facebook, instagram, TikTok are left wing. Truth social, gettr, etc... Are right wing >Where's the "neutral", centric platform? Are you.. serious? You construct this statement as if Facebook, instagram, tiktok, reddit etc are somehow mandated or left wing by some fake construction.. Truth social, gettr and whatever other bullshit people made are the only ones created for peop…

It is well studied that only a tiny percentage of social media users actually post. The rest just lurk. So posters aren't a good sample size

Re: Elon Musk Owns Twitter; CEO and CFO have left

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Post by danjoredd »

jerojero wrote: post #109
pmoriarty wrote: post #70

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You could ignore people on IRC too, choose whether or not to join a particular channel or not, and choose which people to message in private. The problems I've run in to on it is that that some channels on IRC were run by powertripping assholes, and you'd get banned for disagreeing with them or having different opinions.... even if you were perfectly polite, didn't threaten or harass anyone, etc. Of course, you could…

The problem I had is that the space I created in the beginning was quite nice, and we had lots of nice people in it. But as word spread that people wouldn't get banned we started getting a lot of "undesirable" people, people that had been banned from every other place (and for good reason). In the end, it drove everyone else away and the channel died because once everyone was gone there was no reason for these undesi…

That happened to me on a Discord server I was a mod of. Too much fighting and genuine hatred led us to just shut the place down. While it was small it was fine, but after it grew it began being intolerable and all of us mods decided to just shelve it. Nobody can post, but now its just a place to store Discord emojis and stickers

Re: Elon Musk Owns Twitter; CEO and CFO have left

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Post by onethought »

fzeroracer wrote: post #54
onethought wrote: post #43

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Can you give some examples of silencing his dissenters? Or where he has undermined democracy to make money? I'm genuinely curious if I've missed these, as I'm not familiar with any by my own recollection.

You mean other than the time where he harassed someone, called them a pedophile and hired a detective to investigate and try to dig up dirt on them because they got under his skin? That guy, who now has everything anyone has ever said in private messages on Twitter?

So that isn't an example of silencing dissenters, or of undermining democracy. I agree it's some pretty ugly character on show. But that wasn't what I was asking.

Re: Elon Musk Owns Twitter; CEO and CFO have left

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Post by onethought »

jerojero wrote: post #110
onethought wrote: post #44

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But that's not really true - few shareholders or shareholder groups had enough % to choose the board.

Yes. But now it's one man, no? I don't think the situation before was in any way ideal; I simply think it is worse now.

Before these 3 elites could choose, now this 1 elite can choose... I'm not sure it's worse, it's definitely not improved, but we are still letting a class of elites have control over our political discourse.

If Elon sticks to the ideals he has espoused and open sourced more of the algorithms and policies of Twitter, that is possibly an improvement.

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Post by Gigachad »

w0m wrote: post #99
Gigachad wrote: post #10

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Tbh the best direction for twitter to move in is to stop recommending content people did not subscribe to. And then adjust the rules to allow anything legal to be tweeted to your own page. If you object to someones tweets, don't follow them. There may still need to be rules on replying to others tweets since thats pushing content on people.

Where does liability come in once third parties start flooding propaganda/misinformation to the masses? Do you simply allow it to be a convenient platform for a foreign govt to astroturf a local population to affect a local election with misinformation as an example of moral gray area where 'Keep it blindly open!' seems to fall flat I think.

Without recommendation, I think Twitter should have the same liability as an ISP for allowing posting over the internet.

I do think Twitter should moderate what they promote and recommend but don’t think they are responsible for posts and users that users manually seek out.

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Post by DarknessFalls »

thesis wrote: post #38
DarknessFalls wrote: post #25

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It's not a "narrative", it's called the Terms of Service, which specifically forbid inciting violence and hate speech. Trump, Kanye West, and other nut cakes broke those rules and that's why they got banned, after repeated warnings.

https://twitter.com/khamenei_ir/status/22815824658

The rules should be applied wherever they are broken, but that doesn't mean we should hold Trump or Marjorie Green or Kanye West unaccountable. They have rightfully earned their bans.
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