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Signal says it won’t compromise on encryption

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Re: Signal says it won’t compromise on encryption

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Post by junon »

stevewatson301 wrote: post #102

Whenever India and its authoritarian stances are mentioned, a number of folks (I presume Indians, both on HN and elsewhere) come out of the woodwork to sing praises of "national security" while saying nothing about how such power can be abused. It is truly sad to see that an entire populace can't see the perils of a government with broad-reaching powers, when government institutions jailing the opposition, censoring…

It's propaganda. It's the same reason why a large portion of Indians (even with full internet access...) are fervently pro-Putin in the context of the Ukraine-Russia war.

Re: Signal says it won’t compromise on encryption

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Post by dodgerdan »

2-718-281-828 wrote: post #120

Here's one major problem with Signal - you cannot delete contacts. Following scenario: 1) X communicates with Y using Signal trying to hide from Iranian police 2) Y is getting arrested and who ever is found to have his phone number is getting in to trouble as well 3) X deletes Y from its contacts 4) Y stays in X's contacts on Signal no matter what now what should X do? delete Signal? theoretically the police could re…

Usernames are under development right now so this will address this issue one way or another.

Re: Signal says it won’t compromise on encryption

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Post by minraws »

minraws wrote: post #119
stevewatson301 wrote: post #102

Whenever India and its authoritarian stances are mentioned, a number of folks (I presume Indians, both on HN and elsewhere) come out of the woodwork to sing praises of "national security" while saying nothing about how such power can be abused. It is truly sad to see that an entire populace can't see the perils of a government with broad-reaching powers, when government institutions jailing the opposition, censoring…

Well that's what we call power of propaganda, I say that as an Indian(still living in India). I honestly couldn't do anything even after writing letters, talking to friends who can talk to people who make shitty decisions, just cause there is no larger sentiment against these decisions, things just go by. And now I have to say I am not sure when will the general public understand this issue, or will they ever. Are we…

Btw if anyone here is from Australia, you guys had a similar bill a few years ago correct? what happened after that? I am curious any hope of overturning this stuff from the sheer corporate backlash?

Or, maybe I am too optimistic about people who sold their souls for money, making a stand.

Re: Signal says it won’t compromise on encryption

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Post by teekert »

willi59549879 wrote: post #22

India wants to read everything? Why don't they just forbid the use of https. So that everyone can read everything on the internet

Of course the government should still use https, too important, even government officials' personal communication should be protected. All animals are equal, ...

Re: Signal says it won’t compromise on encryption

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Post by cfhhgtyg »

jraph wrote: post #60
2Gkashmiri wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

matrix

I thought Matrix homeservers had access to way more metadata than Signal. Is it better than what I thought?

What does it matter to additionally leak relationships between nessages, such as deletes or replies?

Most important is who when with who which both leak to the server operators

Re: Signal says it won’t compromise on encryption

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Post by FooBarWidget »

junon wrote: post #121
stevewatson301 wrote: post #102

Whenever India and its authoritarian stances are mentioned, a number of folks (I presume Indians, both on HN and elsewhere) come out of the woodwork to sing praises of "national security" while saying nothing about how such power can be abused. It is truly sad to see that an entire populace can't see the perils of a government with broad-reaching powers, when government institutions jailing the opposition, censoring…

It's propaganda. It's the same reason why a large portion of Indians (even with full internet access...) are fervently pro-Putin in the context of the Ukraine-Russia war.

90% world the world (i.e. nearly everybody outside the west) has a similar position on the Russia-Ukraine issue as India though. Is 90% of the world propagandized? Or can they have a legit different perspective on things?

Re: Signal says it won’t compromise on encryption

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Post by quitit »

Dear messaging services (Signal, Whatsapp, etc.)

You don't get to say "hey our messaging service is more secure than x, y or z"

That kind of statement can only be stated by external, independent researchers, not the marketing department.

This thread alone has already pointed to a number safety/security issues that are neither obscure, unreasonable nor able to be addressed by the user.

Additionally I wouldn't even describe Signal as the safest option available in comparison to the many E2EE widely available chat programs.

Re: Signal says it won’t compromise on encryption

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Post by [deleted] »

quitit wrote: post #127

Dear messaging services (Signal, Whatsapp, etc.) You don't get to say "hey our messaging service is more secure than x, y or z" That kind of statement can only be stated by external, independent researchers, not the marketing department. This thread alone has already pointed to a number safety/security issues that are neither obscure, unreasonable nor able to be addressed by the user. Additionally I wouldn't even des…

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Re: Signal says it won’t compromise on encryption

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Post by mlatu »

fucking lying is what they do! how come, if they do not share data with third parties, that a "breakin" at TWILIO would have any consequence on signal?

the app store claims data is not shared with 3rd parties, yet they use twilio to "verify phonenumbers"

how about verifing them yourself? to expensive...? so twilio does it for free for you? what the fishy fuck is going on here?

sure they do mention verifying the numbers with a third party in their terms & privacy policy, but the rest of their communication/advertising just very misleading and fishy, claiming they dont keep any data on you.

i never liked or trusted signal, especially not with marlon"no federation for u"spike and not with auntie "i used to work for the FTC" either.

Re: Signal says it won’t compromise on encryption

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Post by cfhhgtyg »

betwixthewires wrote: post #55
2Gkashmiri wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

matrix

Matrix is great, but it leaks a ton of data.

So does Signal: who when with whom

Matrix does leak more meta data though, e.g. message relationships for instance, but what does that matter?

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