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Re: 5 Years of Pop _OS

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Post by anotherhue »

colordrops wrote: post #36
myself248 wrote: post #27

I'm a Linux idiot, just got sick of Windows, and took the plunge in 2016. (After some ill-fated tinkering in 1996 with Slackware, but we don't speak of that.) I started with Ubuntu and had a pretty good time for a year or two, until a dist-upgrade broke everything. Luckily /home/ was easy to restore from backup. So I was fine for another two years on Ubuntu until another dist-upgrade broke everything again. Sensing a…

If you look at my comment history, you'll see I'm a bit of a broken record, but my records don't break anymore after switching to NixOS. It was precisely the breakage after every upgrade that got me to try it. With declarative config-based reproduceable deployment that can be rolled-back, the broken OS doesn't need to be a thing anymore.

I’ve run most OSs under the sun. NixOS is a generation ahead.

Re: 5 Years of Pop _OS

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Post by anotherhue »

prox wrote: post #89
colordrops wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you look at my comment history, you'll see I'm a bit of a broken record, but my records don't break anymore after switching to NixOS. It was precisely the breakage after every upgrade that got me to try it. With declarative config-based reproduceable deployment that can be rolled-back, the broken OS doesn't need to be a thing anymore.

Noob here. Why is Linux breakage even a thing? Is it complete rewrites, new drivers, a design decision?

Late binding exposing issues that cause run time exceptions. Except it’s not functions it’s bins in in paths. (Or shared objects (shudder))

Re: 5 Years of Pop _OS

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Post by pjmlp »

guilhas wrote: post #116
pjmlp wrote: post #67

And this is why the Linux desktop is domed to be a VM inside other OSes, or filled with Electron apps. Gtk, Qt, XFCE, GNOME and KDE applications will look out of place in the new desktop, and most likely they will never create a Rust based set of frameworks that can match the above ones on features, development tooling, and extensibility points for desktop developers.

The UI in windows is exactly the same. If I run a script to remove title bars/borders/close buttons on windows's windows only half the apps will do it, because of the different UI frameworks Electron is a plague equally in all OSs But I think the current trend is moving windows to be a VM/partition for gaming

I keep reading about that trend since Windows XP days, and every time a new release of Windows comes out with stuff that supposedly is going to be it and everyone will migrate.

Re: 5 Years of Pop _OS

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Post by anotherhue »

ZoomZoomZoom wrote: post #85
colordrops wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you look at my comment history, you'll see I'm a bit of a broken record, but my records don't break anymore after switching to NixOS. It was precisely the breakage after every upgrade that got me to try it. With declarative config-based reproduceable deployment that can be rolled-back, the broken OS doesn't need to be a thing anymore.

Try a buggy kernel and breaking your network in one `nixos-rebuild switch`, garbage-collecting older working generations and trying to fix your config back into working state. Great fun. Other than that, NixOS is a godsend.

I find switch to be a bad idea, better to build a new generation and reboot into it. Less inconsistency.

Re: 5 Years of Pop _OS

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Post by anotherhue »

EFreethought wrote: post #83
thisiswrongggg wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm curious. With all these debian-based distros, why people don't just use debian? I mean it has to be sturdier than the downstream distros.

My info might be out of date, but I think for a long time Debian was not including some audio codecs like MP3 because there are some patents around it. I think there are some proprietary drivers like NVidia that are also excluded. I think the Debian distro has always targeted/attracted free software purists.

You’re correct but fun fact: MP3’s patents expired

Re: 5 Years of Pop _OS

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Post by mandw »

myself248 wrote: post #27

I'm a Linux idiot, just got sick of Windows, and took the plunge in 2016. (After some ill-fated tinkering in 1996 with Slackware, but we don't speak of that.) I started with Ubuntu and had a pretty good time for a year or two, until a dist-upgrade broke everything. Luckily /home/ was easy to restore from backup. So I was fine for another two years on Ubuntu until another dist-upgrade broke everything again. Sensing a…

I have used tiling wm's for a while now, on the desktop and on the laptop. I have to say its made the laptop productivity so much better and shines even better on a smaller screen IMO. Thats a combo of not just tiling but often swapping virtual desktops that is a key part of tiling wm usage.

Re: 5 Years of Pop _OS

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Post by throwamon »

ZoomZoomZoom wrote: post #95
colordrops wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would you garbage-collect older working generations without testing whether the latest works. You'd have to go out of your way to do that, and it goes against the entire purpose of it.

Not every bug manifests itself right after reboot. You can easily have a bunch of generations you just think are ok. The point is entirely different: if you update the channel-list you need the network for any changes to the configuration and I don't know of a way to go back to an earlier channel state.

> You can easily have a bunch of generations you just think are ok.

Unless you erase your darlings: https://grahamc.com/blog/erase-your-darlings

Re: 5 Years of Pop _OS

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Post by bananamerica »

thisiswrongggg wrote: post #80
nu11ptr wrote: post #6

I really like Pop Os. I've always liked Debian descended distros, and prior to this I was using Ubuntu. While I like it, I always found a lot of rough edges esp. when it came to proprietary drivers, etc. where things didn't always work without some tweaking. Pop Os on the other hand seems to "just work" - it is like a polished version of Ubuntu with a nice selection of apps in the Pop Shop. Theme is pretty nice as we…

I'm curious. With all these debian-based distros, why people don't just use debian? I mean it has to be sturdier than the downstream distros.

Debian never seemed to correctly recognize my wireless cards in multiple machines, even with the non-free ISOs

Re: 5 Years of Pop _OS

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Post by flippinburgers »

myself248 wrote: post #27

I'm a Linux idiot, just got sick of Windows, and took the plunge in 2016. (After some ill-fated tinkering in 1996 with Slackware, but we don't speak of that.) I started with Ubuntu and had a pretty good time for a year or two, until a dist-upgrade broke everything. Luckily /home/ was easy to restore from backup. So I was fine for another two years on Ubuntu until another dist-upgrade broke everything again. Sensing a…

To each their own but I have used ubuntu for years now and upgrades have never been a problem for me.

Re: 5 Years of Pop _OS

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Post by akagusu »

Pop_OS was great with Pop_Shell. It was a very pleasant experience; it was not perfect but could be polished.

But they got NIH* syndrome and started this COSMIC desktop; UI changed, the whole experience changed, more bugs ruin our lives. And then they got "Let's rebuild everything in Rust" fever and the great experience of Pop_OS + Pop_Shell was lost forever.

I understand the needs of creating unique experience for a product, but they could have built their desktop on top of Gnome like Ubuntu is doing or using the Gnome stack like Cinnamon, Elementary and many others. Or, if Gnome is a problem for them, they could have chosen the KDE stack, since KDE community is friendlier to outsiders.

* Not invented here

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