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Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says

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Re: Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says

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Post by YoyoyoPCP »

cronix wrote: post #112
YoyoyoPCP wrote: post #84

San Francisco has its heart in the right place and is struggling to grapple with the reality that lax drug laws invites the wrong kind of people to the city.

So does basically legalizing theft for under $950, choosing not to prosecute "property crimes" and so-called bail reform where most people are just released back into society after arrest. All sound good until put into practice.

Correct. Absolutely devastating to small business owners.

I've heard stories that SF is so inundated with car theft that it has created a portal that automatically approves car break in claims for insurance.

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Post by srj »

BoorishBears wrote: post #82
lumost wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a Boston resident I haven’t had any incidents of theft or violence in 10 years. I walk around with my toddler without issue.

Boston has a higher murder rate and overall violent crime rate than San Francisco, as do most large cities. San Francisco's problem is rampant property crime: Property crime is still real crime and harms people mentally... but it also means SF is physically safer than many cities that have less overall crime rates, because of their higher violent crime rates. Since it's often beneficial to an agenda to conflate the t…

Boston's data is probably skewed because unincorporated cities like Cambridge and Brookline aren't included but Mattapan and Roxbury are.

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Post by jacobolus »

mc32 wrote: post #119

SF is funny. If you complain about the crime, lots of long-time residents are loath to admit crime has gone up. "It's been like this since I can remember." "Born and raised fifth generation SFer, no, it's always been like this." Ideology gets the best of people and they don't want to believe. Sure, there have been nadirs before, the 80's after all industry left and only some financial services were left downtown --th…

The police are no more responsive (if anything, less) after the progressive DA was recalled. You can’t blame the DA or the voters for this one.

Re: Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says

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Post by koolba »

jacobolus wrote: post #104
lumost wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a Boston resident I haven’t had any incidents of theft or violence in 10 years. I walk around with my toddler without issue.

Walking around (nearly any part of) San Francisco day or night with a toddler is no problem at all, but don’t leave a backpack sitting on your car’s passenger seat if you don’t want your window smashed. The problem is property crimes not violent crime. One of the main issues is that the SF police are unwilling to lift a finger about nearly anything, and more or less laugh at you if you ask for their help.

> One of the main issues is that the SF police are unwilling to lift a finger about nearly anything.

Isn’t this a direct effect of the DA refusing to prosecute? What’s the point of police getting involved if the crime isn’t even considered a crime by the prosecutor?

Re: Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says

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Post by taeric »

Without comparing to other high density cities for basic theft, I don't really find this that useful. :(

To wit, in Seattle we had our car broken into once. We also had a habit of forgetting the car keys /on top of the car/, such that we would have said we live in a very very safe place. Despite the time the car was broken into.

When I lived in Atlanta, the general practice was not to lock your car, so that they wouldn't have to break in to it.

Re: Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says

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Post by readthenotes1 »

ceejayoz wrote: post #91
CPLX wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Copaganda, a shorthand for the tendency of police communications officials to make wildly false statements to influence public opinion, is indeed a real issue. What does it have to do with an opinion poll like this though?

Copaganda also describes true but misleading statements, and includes things like news organizations naïvely taking the cops at their word, shows like CSI and Law & Order, etc. In this case, "Any item stolen from you?" seems to include having an Amazon package stolen off your porch, which happens widely (including to me) here in suburban upstate NY too.

Is someone's stealing something off your porch not stealing?

This level of crime used to be something we'd attribute to failed communities and not acceptable for civilized people (those living in cities)

Re: Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says

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Post by jacobolus »

koolba wrote: post #124
jacobolus wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Walking around (nearly any part of) San Francisco day or night with a toddler is no problem at all, but don’t leave a backpack sitting on your car’s passenger seat if you don’t want your window smashed. The problem is property crimes not violent crime. One of the main issues is that the SF police are unwilling to lift a finger about nearly anything, and more or less laugh at you if you ask for their help.

> One of the main issues is that the SF police are unwilling to lift a finger about nearly anything. Isn’t this a direct effect of the DA refusing to prosecute? What’s the point of police getting involved if the crime isn’t even considered a crime by the prosecutor?

In my opinion blaming the DA was always a lazy excuse. Now that he has been recalled in favor of a “tough” replacement who fired all of the progressive city prosecutors, how do you explain their continuing non-responsiveness?

Recently my plumber neighbors had their truck stolen with their tools in it and told the police precisely where it was but the police wouldn’t do anything, so my neighbors found the thief and beat him up. The police came to ask why there was a fist fight in the middle of the sidewalk. The thief ran away, so the police shrugged and left.

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Post by georgeplusplus »

javajosh wrote: post #116

I feel like only those who live in San Francisco should comment on this. It's easy to pass judgement from afar, but the situation is, like all situations, difficult to grasp for people who live there, the insiders, and impossible to grasp by anyone else. SF is an incredibly unique place with a unique history and can you really get it if you don't live there?

I love it. We should apply this logic to all cities and states. The matters of cities and states are their own and the federal government or other states shouldnt tell the others how to live and run their own states because they dont really get it since they dont live there.

Re: Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says

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Post by YoyoyoPCP »

andrepd wrote: post #120
YoyoyoPCP wrote: post #84

San Francisco has its heart in the right place and is struggling to grapple with the reality that lax drug laws invites the wrong kind of people to the city.

Quoted post unavailable.

Fair enough, but I don't think I'm saying anything that hasn't already been pretty abundantly documented over the last several years.

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

cgb223 wrote: post #67
baby wrote: post #24

Reading this headline I thought to myself, this can't be possible. But then I remembered I got two packages stolen in two different neighborhood of the city, and during NYE someone broke the door of the backyard to probably see what they could steal there.

I thought the same thing then remembered that my car has been smash and grabbed not once, but twice

> then remembered that my car has been smash and grabbed not once, but twice

A friend in San Francisco casually mentioned their car getting broken into. The normalization is funny when one recognizes it.

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