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> the local South African equivalent law (POPI) is more about data processing than cookies . Plenty of sites have not updated their cookie UX for the newer regulations. The GDPR is exactly the same. Even the ePrivacy Directive (the so-called "cookie law") actually covers more than just cookies - any method of storage in a user's terminal (whether browser local storage, or an app's own database) is also in scope.
Indeed, and you can also use cookies without requesting permission.
Google is forcing us to make our open source VoIP app worse
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Re: Google is forcing us to make our open source VoIP app worse
#122Earlier quoted context omitted.
I fear we as users have been trained as well and perpetuate it. People generally don't want to pay, so we're the product, advertising pays ... the whole ecosystem is a mess.
It doesn't matter if you want to pay or not. These companies need to make more money than they did the previous quarter. So they need to always find new way to exploit continuously.
Re: Google is forcing us to make our open source VoIP app worse
#123I kinda sorta see google’s side. There are just too many shady operators out there who will swear blind they’re completely honest, and maybe they are, but they also employed a third party to write code or maybe just imported a 3rd party lib (i am in no way saying this is the case) As to, why don’t they look at the code? bugger that being standard practise, i’m not handing over my code to google or apple. Even if they…
So why not just remove the Contacts API entirely then? If it exists, "shady operators" can misuse it. Oh and, camera apps made by "shady operators" could be sending your pictures to questionable places so why not remove the Camera API as well? And we can't forget that "shady operators" could be snooping through your files so let's remove the filesystem API too. Actually now that I think about it, any app could be mal…
https://developer.android.com/about/versions/11/privacy/stor...
Re: Google is forcing us to make our open source VoIP app worse
#124Earlier quoted context omitted.
Lots of people use f-droid. It's as easy as installing f-droid from browser and then checking a box in settings.
I am aware. I'm one of them. Unfortunately us "lots of people" are still probably <0.1% of Android users.
Re: Google is forcing us to make our open source VoIP app worse
#125Earlier quoted context omitted.
To give the benefit of the doubt, knowing nothing else about this company: This is clearly a South African based company. GDPR and cookie may be important compliance but it's not top of the totem pole - the local South African equivalent law (POPI) is more about data processing than cookies. Plenty of sites have not updated their cookie UX for the newer regulations. I've even noticed some sites serve different forms…
It's not, it's a Dutch company
Re: Google is forcing us to make our open source VoIP app worse
#126No reason version 2 can’t do the thing after they upgrade and I already gave permission in version 1.
Re: Google is forcing us to make our open source VoIP app worse
#127Re: Google is forcing us to make our open source VoIP app worse
#128Earlier quoted context omitted.
Non-compliant & dumb implementations doesn't mean the law itself is bad. The problem is a major lack of enforcement.
A lack of enforcement is definitely not the problem. Stated as the inverse, what would more enforcement solve? And, even if it was a solution, what would this additional enforcement actually enforce? A poorly written law, apparently designed to introduce additional friction into simple web browsing, with porous and easily-evaded definitions and vague goals that only apply to a tiny fraction of planetary inhabitants?…
Some shitty businesses who outright can't be profitable without stalking will fold which is a good thing (less spyware in the world), most will adapt just fine - executives/shareholders may just have to forego that new yacht or supercar.
> A poorly written law, apparently designed to introduce additional friction into simple web browsing
It's not poorly written. It's written very well to explicitly outlaw the kind of malicious pseudo-compliance you're complaining about. Its objective is not to introduce friction, it's to outlaw spyware (which we've somehow normalized over the past decade).
> with porous and easily-evaded definitions and vague goals
The goals are not porous - in fact the law is intentionally broad enough so that the spirit of any data collection/processing can be taken into account, rather than a specific technicality (which is why focusing on cookies is stupid because GDPR doesn't care whether you do your tracking with cookies, IP addresses or the shipping/billing address your customer provides). The goal of the law is again to outlaw the business model of spyware.
> a tiny fraction of planetary inhabitants
Is the EU that small? Come on.
Re: Google is forcing us to make our open source VoIP app worse
#129I kinda sorta see google’s side. There are just too many shady operators out there who will swear blind they’re completely honest, and maybe they are, but they also employed a third party to write code or maybe just imported a 3rd party lib (i am in no way saying this is the case) As to, why don’t they look at the code? bugger that being standard practise, i’m not handing over my code to google or apple. Even if they…
So why not just remove the Contacts API entirely then? If it exists, "shady operators" can misuse it. Oh and, camera apps made by "shady operators" could be sending your pictures to questionable places so why not remove the Camera API as well? And we can't forget that "shady operators" could be snooping through your files so let's remove the filesystem API too. Actually now that I think about it, any app could be mal…
Re: Google is forcing us to make our open source VoIP app worse
#130I think I found the reason Google is rejecting your app.