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Amazon’s attrition costs $8B annually according to leaked documents

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Re: Amazon’s attrition costs $8B annually according to leaked documents

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Post by soulofmischief »

gabagool wrote: post #86
PoignardAzur wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

... Am I the only one looking at American companies offering me 3-digits salaries and going "holy shit, that's a really good deal"? In my case, the company is extremely accommodating and doesn't schedule reunions at hours that are inconvenient for me, but even if they did, I'd still consider it worth it for the compensation they give out. I dunno. Maybe I could get an even better deal if I pushed hard or if I unioniz…

3 digits? So up to $999/year? That sounds extremely low. In the US salaries are done per year, so a 6-figure salary is >=$100,000/year. Do you mean as an hourly wage? That would be $200,000+/year and a 6-figure salary.

I imagine they mean three digits above the first set of zeroes.

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Post by flashgordon »

emptysongglass wrote: post #63
ignoramous wrote: post #60

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> Same for us Europoors. Mate, it isn't quite nearly the same for Europeans.

It is. We're getting paid peanuts compared to our American counterparts and we do the same work . What's worse is we pay higher taxes. The only way this changes is by European tech workers standing together and demanding matched salaries.

Yes but you do not face deportation right? Infact if you were to move to the us on a H1B yould get your gc in a couple of years. GCs (for Indian born) are like a 25 year wait! Doesn't matter your citizenship. Govt perpetuated racism my friend!

Re: Amazon’s attrition costs $8B annually according to leaked documents

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Post by PoignardAzur »

gabagool wrote: post #86
PoignardAzur wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

... Am I the only one looking at American companies offering me 3-digits salaries and going "holy shit, that's a really good deal"? In my case, the company is extremely accommodating and doesn't schedule reunions at hours that are inconvenient for me, but even if they did, I'd still consider it worth it for the compensation they give out. I dunno. Maybe I could get an even better deal if I pushed hard or if I unioniz…

3 digits? So up to $999/year? That sounds extremely low. In the US salaries are done per year, so a 6-figure salary is >=$100,000/year. Do you mean as an hourly wage? That would be $200,000+/year and a 6-figure salary.

Right, I meant 6 digits.

I think I meant "3 digits before the K".

Re: Amazon’s attrition costs $8B annually according to leaked documents

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Post by woleium »

GoldenMonkey wrote: post #113
Danieru wrote: post #64

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The secret has been out for over a decade. Yet Amazon still get new hires.

It’s pretty well known in tech. I never respond to amazon HR. Been doing that for 5 years now. They are running out of ppl to hire. Now, to figure out how to short amazon… maybe they last another 5 years… before they just implode.

Plenty of new grads every year

Re: Amazon’s attrition costs $8B annually according to leaked documents

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Post by woleium »

edwnj wrote: post #65
ozzythecat wrote: post #6

> The same Times investigation reported the company “intentionally limited upward mobility for hourly workers,” according to David Niekerk, a former Amazon HR Vice President. It’s not just for hourly workers. I was actively coached on holding promotions as a carrot. My leadership team would commit to unrealistic dates, taking input and estimates from dev teams but hand wave it. Amazon applies pressure on L7 and L6 so…

lol this is hilarious. We are talking about the highest paid people in the world here.. "sweat shop"

Just because it's well paid doesn't mean it's not greuling work.

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Post by grassgreener »

nivenkos wrote: post #41
satellites wrote: post #20

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> And the Indian devs work their ass off out of fear of getting PIP’d and with their work authorization, they lose their job means they have to leave the country. This matches what I saw at Nike. Though it was a bit less extreme, it was the same dynamic. Indian-born workers got paid half what the American-born workers did for the same SWE jobs. And Indian workers couldn’t complain or push back against unrealistic exp…

Same for us Europoors. Joining meetings at Seattle time (like 7-8pm CET), meanwhile you're being paid less than half of what the American engineers earn at the same level. But they know there's so few options in Europe so they set the salaries according to "local market conditions".

If you were to pick where would you choose to live? It’s very much a trade off, salaries are higher in the US, but the quality of life is piss poor compared to anywhere in Europe. Healthcare is terrible and expensive, Education is lousy and expensive, housing is expensive and city life, outside of a couple of cities, is mediocre (car centric, no culture, segregated). Oh and you are at-will employed, which means you are one phone call away from getting fired on the spot.

For context, I’m a European in a US city. I’m not sure for how long I’ll be able to stay here.

Re: Amazon’s attrition costs $8B annually according to leaked documents

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Post by edwnj »

woleium wrote: post #126
edwnj wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

lol this is hilarious. We are talking about the highest paid people in the world here.. "sweat shop"

Just because it's well paid doesn't mean it's not greuling work.

There is a difference between working hard and getting paid exceptionally well for it verses borderline slave labor.

Comparing one of the most sought out, well paid, safe, in demand jobs in THE WORLD to being in a sweatshop is asinine and extremely arrogant.

Re: Amazon’s attrition costs $8B annually according to leaked documents

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Post by nvader »

nivenkos wrote: post #55
cafed00d wrote: post #37

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It’s actually really stupid. Not having ethics/empathy is actually _really dumb_ way to run a company. They end up making a lot of people miserable. Eventually, all of the technology, market advantage yadda yadda catches up. IBM, Yahoo, heck even Meta/Facebook. Amazon won’t last. But in their wake, they leave behind very different testimonials. Working people to a grind has its obvious needs in times of crisis — I me…

To quote Keynes, in the long run we're all dead.

To quote Braveheart, "Every man dies. Not every man truly lives"

Or, as St Ignatius quoted to St Francis Xavier, "What does it profit a man of he gains the entire world, but suffers the loss of his own soul?"

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