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post #28

It's always something toxic when it comes to US companies. I had to do multiple background checks. In Romania they are unheard of.

This reminds me when I was contracted by a certain huge US company to write a driver for their new hardware. They… wanted me to take a drug test. It took them three months of me silently ignoring their emails (they had a deadline to meet) to figure it out.

Re: Dutch employee fired by U.S. firm for shutting off webcam awarded €75K in court

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post #28

It's always something toxic when it comes to US companies. I had to do multiple background checks. In Romania they are unheard of.

Were the background checks for a remote job? That would makes sense. Employing someone several thousands miles away in a foreign country requires a certain amount of due diligence, especially to keep the (tax) authorities happy.

Customer was from US, my company was from Romania. They were forced to do what the customer wanted.

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post #4

> Less than a week after the plaintiff was fired, the Rijswijk branch of Chetu Inc. was deregistered from the Chamber of Commerce and shut down on 2 September, records show. So, it's a fair assumption that no organisation in the Netherlands is going to pay out as a result of this. What are the chances of the employee being able to enforce this judgment in a Florida court?

They'll collect eventually, and Chetu will have to pay interest on the late payments on top of it all. The longer the process takes, the more they pay.

Re: Dutch employee fired by U.S. firm for shutting off webcam awarded €75K in court

#125
post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Very similar in Texas - it is called At Will employment. Other states are Right to Work. Each has pros and cons. I’ve only lived and worked in Texas so At Will is very close to “for any reason” as long as it’s not against the law. Don’t like your haircut? They can shut can you on the spot. On the flip side, if one day you go in and you’ve just had enough of the hourly retail job and think you can get a better one, yo…

"Right to work" is a different concept related to unions, and includes Texas: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-to-work_law All the states are At Will, but a number of them have exceptions that provide certain protections (ex. Not being fired for following the law): https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/At-will_employment

I love how only some are providing the protection of not being fired for following the law. Can they order you to organize a coup, some terrorist acts, or a murder in the others?

Re: Dutch employee fired by U.S. firm for shutting off webcam awarded €75K in court

#127
post #106

he was ordered to take part in a virtual training period called a "Corrective Action Program." This is the sort of name given to processes uses when an employee is already performing below expectations. (Where I work it’s a more euphemistic Performance Improvement). If that’s the case here then his firing was a bit less sudden than it appears. Though the entire monitoring process seems draconian regardless.

The article also states that he was "telemarketing worker" without much detail about his job duties. Was the company already recording his screen and voice (if applicable) interactions with customers?

I suspect the article meant teleworking

Re: Dutch employee fired by U.S. firm for shutting off webcam awarded €75K in court

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post #101

he was ordered to take part in a virtual training period called a "Corrective Action Program." This is the sort of name given to processes uses when an employee is already performing below expectations. (Where I work it’s a more euphemistic Performance Improvement). If that’s the case here then his firing was a bit less sudden than it appears. Though the entire monitoring process seems draconian regardless.

PIPs are a tool for managing out employees that don’t perform well or don’t yield to often abusive company demands like e.g. overtime or pissed of somebody in management or connected to management.

Also potentially just the unlucky selected person for a forced rank/yank exercise when everyone is doing their job, but some percentage is selected to oust.

Re: Dutch employee fired by U.S. firm for shutting off webcam awarded €75K in court

#129
post #128
post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

PIPs are a tool for managing out employees that don’t perform well or don’t yield to often abusive company demands like e.g. overtime or pissed of somebody in management or connected to management.

Also potentially just the unlucky selected person for a forced rank/yank exercise when everyone is doing their job, but some percentage is selected to oust.

I’ve always called them sacrificial lambs.

Re: Dutch employee fired by U.S. firm for shutting off webcam awarded €75K in court

#130
post #101

he was ordered to take part in a virtual training period called a "Corrective Action Program." This is the sort of name given to processes uses when an employee is already performing below expectations. (Where I work it’s a more euphemistic Performance Improvement). If that’s the case here then his firing was a bit less sudden than it appears. Though the entire monitoring process seems draconian regardless.

PIPs are a tool for managing out employees that don’t perform well or don’t yield to often abusive company demands like e.g. overtime or pissed of somebody in management or connected to management.

Depends on the company but they are commonly used to ensure managers are not just firing someone that they are "pissed off" at, people are cynical about them but they are designed to ensure managers have to document the poor performance, and have notified the employee they are under performing...

I have seen companies that lack this process and witnessed employees getting very positive feedback from managers even in performance reviews, only to be shell shocked with a termination for poor performance.

Given the option to have a PiP process or not I would rather have one.

I have seen employees go on a PIP and then improve their way out of it. I have seen them be used as a tool to justify termination, and in one case the PIP ended up revealing fraud.

I think the point is, if a company is going to abuse employee, that will happen with or with out a PIP, but even with abusive management having that process IMO is better than not

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