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Post by ttepasse »

lucb1e wrote: post #93
black_puppydog wrote: post #41

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It's traditionally and still a very DACH dominated event, for better or worse. Travel by regional/interregional trains around this time is perfectly fine, and it's a time where it's quite easy for a whole big community to synchronize for taking vacation. Remember that this is not the type of Congress where people go on paid time. There are no sponsorships and generally no commercial interest behind this event, so I t…

("DACH" meaning Deutschland, Austria, Chwitzerland, if I'm not mistaken; i.e. the main German-speaking region. Not sure this is common knowledge outside of people that are in / regularly deal with DACH; I only learned of it 2 years after moving to Germany, being from the Netherlands.)

Confoederatio Helvetica – hence the ISO 3166-1 code CH.

Re: Call for Participation to Chaos Computer Club’s 37C3

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Post by anigbrowl »

lbotos wrote: post #116
nmilo wrote: post #109

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And how much training and guiding did that take? It's not like they hit "generate" and the first try made some good music. This definitely took a ton of human guidance and curation.

Does more guidance == less valuable? I don't think so.

Well, it's not really AI any more, it's more like a Beethoven Phrase Generator operated by a committee of Beethoven Music Appreciators. It's a cool thing and I'm also bullish on AI as a creative tool, but a lot of current offerings are great at small scales but fall apart on the larger structural level.

If you have an OpenAI account, try getting GPT-3 to write a short murder mystery, for example. GPT-3 is kinda good at dyadic and triadic interactions and even some kinds of story generation, but doesn't get the structural requirement of multiplying contradictions until a tipping point resulting in convergence (though I think LLMs can be taught that).

Re: Call for Participation to Chaos Computer Club’s 37C3

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Post by black_puppydog »

lucb1e wrote: post #93
black_puppydog wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's traditionally and still a very DACH dominated event, for better or worse. Travel by regional/interregional trains around this time is perfectly fine, and it's a time where it's quite easy for a whole big community to synchronize for taking vacation. Remember that this is not the type of Congress where people go on paid time. There are no sponsorships and generally no commercial interest behind this event, so I t…

("DACH" meaning Deutschland, Austria, Chwitzerland, if I'm not mistaken; i.e. the main German-speaking region. Not sure this is common knowledge outside of people that are in / regularly deal with DACH; I only learned of it 2 years after moving to Germany, being from the Netherlands.)

Really cool people call it CHAD though. :P

Re: Call for Participation to Chaos Computer Club’s 37C3

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Post by regpertom »

kmeisthax wrote: post #111
pclmulqdq wrote: post #107

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At some point in the future, people will be studying and analyzing 4chan trolling the way they analyzed British political satire rags of the 1800s. It is a new form of writing, though. Satire, today, is thought of as something that is known to be false, while trolling seems to be characterized by a sort of "stochastic truth" where the author is purposely ambiguous about whether they believe it or not. It lets the aut…

Political satire being taken as truth[0] comes with the territory. In fact, that's kind of the implicit joke. We laugh at every politician that reads an Onion article and thinks they need to rally the wagons to stop the $8bn Planned Parenthood Abortionplex. It is a rhetorical prank on the rich and powerful. The problem with 4chan political trolling is that they always use the same fucking joke and there's no underlyi…

How does this fit together?: "Here's some people who don't fit in to the default social mold, now laugh and mock." “a large swath of probably-white, possibly-poor, definitely autistic people.”

Also, Wikipedia says 4chan launched in 2003. 19 years ago. Which I doesn’t count as decades.

…waaait a minute… has my autism just eaten your onion? Layers upon layers to this satire thing haha

Re: Call for Participation to Chaos Computer Club’s 37C3

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Post by thesaintlives »

black_puppydog wrote: post #45

Funny to see a bunch of (quickly flagged) comments that show a clear misunderstanding of what the German hacker scene is and wants. Besides not being a monolith and this being amenable to labeling as such, it's still in many parts different from many other hacker scenes. The CCC has always had the ambition (and backing credentials/skills) to be a political movement as much as a technological one. In fact that's the o…

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Re: Call for Participation to Chaos Computer Club’s 37C3

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Post by thesaintlives »

super256 wrote: post #60
black_puppydog wrote: post #45

Funny to see a bunch of (quickly flagged) comments that show a clear misunderstanding of what the German hacker scene is and wants. Besides not being a monolith and this being amenable to labeling as such, it's still in many parts different from many other hacker scenes. The CCC has always had the ambition (and backing credentials/skills) to be a political movement as much as a technological one. In fact that's the o…

I left the CCC in 2020 after C3 crew decided that the cock.li mail-service is a fascist and started, escalated, and carried out an attack on its administrator Vincent Canfield [1]. Sorry, but throwing someone on the floor in front of the congress building for registering clearly sarcastic domains such as "hitler.rocks" and "nuke.africa" is just not what I understand under anti-facism. It's merely a power move for con…

The CCC is not run by hackers or for hackers. They are not considerate of viewpoints and ideas other than their own. They push a Marxist agenda where it is not wanted or needed whilst at the same time maximizing their own financial gain. If you have the balls (or stupidity) to point this out you are a fascist. Welcome to the CCC...

Re: Call for Participation to Chaos Computer Club’s 37C3

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Post by toofy »

super256 wrote: post #86
aestetix wrote: post #77

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Where did the C3 crew say the service was fascist? As far as I understand, he showed up to Congress and did a Hitlergrüße (Nazi salute) to their security. In Germany that is illegal and arrestable, so he should actually be grateful they only kicked him out and did not call the police. Germany has very strict laws against video-recording people without their consent, so creating this video would be considered another…

> As far as I understand, he showed up to Congress and did a Hitlergrüße (Nazi salute) to their security. In Germany that is illegal and arrestable, so he should actually be grateful they only kicked him out and did not call the police. This is simply not true. Before the C3 took place, Michael required Vincent to remove all the unfunny stuff from his website to be able to register an assembly for C3. However, Vincen…

from my recollections , he was asked not to go, and he went there to ‘troll.’ he went to a gathering he was asked not to attend with the intention of being annoying, the hosts removed him.

i can’t think of a single bar, restaurant, etc in the world which won’t eject someone when they intentionally cause trouble. particularly if the person has been told they aren’t welcome.

why do some people struggle with this extremely basic rudimentary thing we teach every child—if youre annoying on purpose, people will treat you like you’re an annoying person.

just because some want to rename ‘be annoying’ to ‘trolling’ this doesn’t change the response you’re going to get.

again, this is super basic stuff. if you go out of your way to annoy someone, people get annoyed. very basic. it’s not shocking. it’s not scandalous. it’s basic behavior.

Re: Call for Participation to Chaos Computer Club’s 37C3

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Post by simon_o »

thesaintlives wrote: post #127
super256 wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I left the CCC in 2020 after C3 crew decided that the cock.li mail-service is a fascist and started, escalated, and carried out an attack on its administrator Vincent Canfield [1]. Sorry, but throwing someone on the floor in front of the congress building for registering clearly sarcastic domains such as "hitler.rocks" and "nuke.africa" is just not what I understand under anti-facism. It's merely a power move for con…

The CCC is not run by hackers or for hackers. They are not considerate of viewpoints and ideas other than their own. They push a Marxist agenda where it is not wanted or needed whilst at the same time maximizing their own financial gain. If you have the balls (or stupidity) to point this out you are a fascist. Welcome to the CCC...

Congratulations, literally everything about this is wrong.

Not sure in what kind of fantasy world you live in, but get help. Maybe lay off your "supplements" for a bit.

Re: Call for Participation to Chaos Computer Club’s 37C3

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Post by type0 »

thesaintlives wrote: post #126
black_puppydog wrote: post #45

Funny to see a bunch of (quickly flagged) comments that show a clear misunderstanding of what the German hacker scene is and wants. Besides not being a monolith and this being amenable to labeling as such, it's still in many parts different from many other hacker scenes. The CCC has always had the ambition (and backing credentials/skills) to be a political movement as much as a technological one. In fact that's the o…

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