Why don't they just put the players into a Faraday cage with wired cameras on the inside? No communication out of the box by any means in that case.
Chess Investigation Finds U.S. Grandmaster ‘Likely Cheated’ More Than 100 Times
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Re: Chess Investigation Finds U.S. Grandmaster ‘Likely Cheated’ More Than 100 Times
#122Earlier quoted context omitted.
Right? I completely didn't understand this part? In pretty much everything else, you cheat, you're basically done.
Oh. Really? I mean, not in baseball. Not in football. Not in basketball. Not even in President of the United States. What is this alternate reality you're in, and what is your list of "everything else"? Citations, please.
Citation: Pete Rose, Sammy Sosa, Mark McGwire, Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens, and Curt Schilling will never get in the Hall of Fame.
You're right that that's not "basically done," but once they're retired, HoF is all they have to look forward to. Being officially in disgrace is pretty done.
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#123Earlier quoted context omitted.
There are a few competitive sports where the same pattern occurs. Namely decentralized sports, particularly boxing where it's not rare for some elite athlete to be banned temporarily after testing positive for PEDs. Most bans are for 6-12 months which is a joke. My guess is that the more decentralized a sport is, the more likely it is for cheating to occur and go unpunished. Chess is unofficially becoming a decentral…
> Most bans are for 6-12 months which is a joke. An athlete's professional career is roughly ten years* with the majority of their earning potential to be an even smaller set of those years. A ban from being paid for 12 months may represent 10% or more of an athlete's career earning potential. *Of course this varies a lot by sport, gymnastics careers are obviously very short, a golfer's career may be much longer.
Even worse, professional athletes fund full-time training through ways that wouldn't be available during a ban. Skip full-time training for a year and you'll probably not be competitive after.
Re: Chess Investigation Finds U.S. Grandmaster ‘Likely Cheated’ More Than 100 Times
#124This is the most interesting part for me: Computers have “nearly infallible tactical calculation,” the report says, and are capable of beating even the best human every single time. The report says dozens of grandmasters have been caught cheating on the website, including four of the top-100 players in the world who confessed. I can't really comment it, but I leave it here if you haven't read the article.
I can 100% garenty you that anyone interested enouhg to get into the top 50k chess players is going to be interested enough in chess to want to play around with a chess engine, and why not use it in the most convenient way possible, to play a few chess.com matches with it.
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#125Earlier quoted context omitted.
People are still rather short-sighted when it comes to what a computer can do. They can really only think in front of them. If I put information into this program, I get information out. They don't think that applications can monitor their own meta-state. Or the state of other applications. So I'm not terribly surprised that he thought running the engine in another browser window would have been sufficient. He might…
Most people don't realize that the online chat functions for a lot of customer service sites show every character you type, not when you hit 'enter' or 'send'.
Didn't know that. Is this really true? What would be the point of it?
When chatting with a customer support it's quite apparent the csr is involved in many chats at once; wouldn't it be quite taxing for them to have to monitor not just the responses but every keystroke of the people they interact with?
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#126Earlier quoted context omitted.
Most people don't realize that the online chat functions for a lot of customer service sites show every character you type, not when you hit 'enter' or 'send'.
Didn't know that. Is this really true? What would be the point of it? When chatting with a customer support it's quite apparent the csr is involved in many chats at once; wouldn't it be quite taxing for them to have to monitor not just the responses but every keystroke of the people they interact with?
You could passively record without having to force the CSR to engage. You could also then use that text to help prompt the CSR.
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#127The next 'move' for cheaters is to use chess computers in a way that passes 'Chess Turing Test' and makes cheating indistinguishable from normal human play under analysis. When there is money in the game, there is incentive to cheat. > The report says dozens of grandmasters have been caught cheating on the website, including four of the top-100 players in the world who confessed. There are probably smart cheaters alr…
> makes cheating indistinguishable from normal human play under analysis. From what I understand, Niemann got into trouble because people thought that he wasn't able to adequately provide the analysis i.e. the reasoning behind some of his own moves. You'd need a live auxiliary AI to tutor the cheater in how to explain why a particular move was made.
Well, that's only one of many reasons. GM Hikaru was laughing at him on his channel when replaying that interview with Hans - a lot of his answers were strange and deflective. A player at this level should be able to fluently describe their analysis at any move in the game.
At one point he described one of his own moves as "a weird move" without offering any explanation, sounding more as if he was observing the move rather than being the one who had actually analyzed it and chosen to play it!
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#128Why don't they just put the players into a Faraday cage with wired cameras on the inside? No communication out of the box by any means in that case.
I could actually cheat in that situation, if my people could hack the camera controls and dilate the iris or move it or something...
Re: Chess Investigation Finds U.S. Grandmaster ‘Likely Cheated’ More Than 100 Times
#129Why don't they just put the players into a Faraday cage with wired cameras on the inside? No communication out of the box by any means in that case.
You can run a chess engine that can beat any human on a small portable device, so external communication wouldn't be necessary. Perhaps combined with a metal detector it could work? Honestly though I think the more significant reason is that that would require building the cages, and would prevent live audiences.
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#130Earlier quoted context omitted.
It is very easy indeed. Stockfish would be an immense help. Best moves are calculated progressively, that is they are refined over a few seconds. Inexperienced players are given away by delaying over obvious moves waiting for the best move. It is definitely not rocket science. You can download and run Stockfish yourself. I think chess.com possibly runs it in the browser.
I know the basics how to do it, it is rather obvious. I just feel that operating two boards manually is really a chore, and definitely not while streaming.
Are you familiar with professional Starcraft II? Those guys are executing ten moves PER SECOND. While streaming.
This is two to four orders of magnitude faster than chess players in a classical game. One to two orders of magnitude faster than blitz.