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Re: Build your fanbase using the K-pop method

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Post by WalterBright »

WalterBright wrote: post #69
consumer451 wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Korean songs I believe the correct term would be lyrics, not songs. A song can have its lyrics translated/altered into an entirely different language and still carry the same weight. Many pop songwriters would argue that the lyrics are one of the least important components. Non-anglophone countries are full of such songs based on English language originals. Though this musical localization seems have be have been m…

> Many pop songwriters would argue that the lyrics are one of the least important components A B C It's as easy as 1 2 3 Doe Rae Me You and me or: 1 2 3 4 I am going to keep on counting 5 6 7 8 Yep.

P.S. both of those lyrics are from hit songs. The first from the Jackson 5, the second Gloria Estefan.

Re: Build your fanbase using the K-pop method

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Post by thaumasiotes »

ambicapter wrote: post #103
thaumasiotes wrote: post #76

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> A song can have its lyrics translated/altered into an entirely different language and still carry the same weight. This is not true. Try listening to "the same" song in two different languages that you can speak, one of which being the language the song was written in. One of two things will be true: (a) It is obvious which songs was originally written in that language and which is a translation. (b) It is not obvi…

Counter example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLzjYXzkvWU vs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PnOG67flRA

How is this supposed to be a counterexample? I'll have to lean on Google Translate for the French, but here are the first two verses of the English song:

    You may have the money
    But you've got to go
    It's sensible (it's sensible)
    And those endless seasons
    That go on and on
    Incredible

    But I'd sooner get out
    And remember where we went last year
    You said everything about it moved on your career
    If you want to go
    I'll take you back one day
Here are the first two verses of the French song:

    It's a corner [hidden spot?] lost
    on the Atlantic
    It's exotic (it's exotic)
    A secret corner
    under the palms
    It's fantastic

    I could show you
    how to get there, it's very easy
    Close your eyes and let your eyelashes tangle
    Here we are already
    Welcome to the bay
These songs are set to the same music, but they are otherwise unrelated to each other. This is like saying that Weird Al Yankovic translated Gangsta's Paradise into English.

Re: Build your fanbase using the K-pop method

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Post by ambicapter »

thaumasiotes wrote: post #123
ambicapter wrote: post #103

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Counter example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLzjYXzkvWU vs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PnOG67flRA

How is this supposed to be a counterexample? I'll have to lean on Google Translate for the French, but here are the first two verses of the English song: You may have the money But you've got to go It's sensible (it's sensible) And those endless seasons That go on and on Incredible But I'd sooner get out And remember where we went last year You said everything about it moved on your career If you want to go I'll take…

> are otherwise unrelated to each other

Are you serious? Both songs are about going to "The Bay". Both songs compare The Bay to Berlin, London, Paris. Both of the choruses are literally "It feels so good , to be in the Bay".

If you're arguing that lyrics must be word-for-word translation for a song to be "translated", then that's an obnoxious strawman that I can't take seriously.

Re: Build your fanbase using the K-pop method

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Post by lapinot »

tldr: be consensual to mainstream tastes, jump on every viral bandwagon you notice, encourage frenzieness and addictive behavior. Thanks but no thanks. Thus article is how to destroy any kind of cultural diversity 101. And create vast rigid borderline fanatic groups that upend any systemic stability and routinely create unpredictable cataclysmic events.

I'm half-amused half-shocked that this article is so frank in explaining how this works, without a hint at any consequence.

Re: Build your fanbase using the K-pop method

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Post by thaumasiotes »

ambicapter wrote: post #124
thaumasiotes wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is this supposed to be a counterexample? I'll have to lean on Google Translate for the French, but here are the first two verses of the English song: You may have the money But you've got to go It's sensible (it's sensible) And those endless seasons That go on and on Incredible But I'd sooner get out And remember where we went last year You said everything about it moved on your career If you want to go I'll take…

> are otherwise unrelated to each other Are you serious? Both songs are about going to "The Bay". Both songs compare The Bay to Berlin, London, Paris. Both of the choruses are literally "It feels so good , to be in the Bay". If you're arguing that lyrics must be word-for-word translation for a song to be "translated", then that's an obnoxious strawman that I can't take seriously.

> Both songs are about going to "The Bay".

But in the English song, "the Bay" is an actual place in which the singer and a particular addressee have vacationed in the past, and in the French song, "the Bay" is an imaginary place which the singer invites a generic audience to indulge in.

Speaking of which, the English song is notionally sung to someone known to the singer, and the audience is conceptually overhearing it, while the French song is sung to the audience.

The two songs don't have anything in common. They both compare their bay to Berlin, London, and Paris, in the sense of saying that the Bay is not any of those places. Mount St. Helens is also not Berlin, London, or Paris. Have I just made a second translation of The Bay into English? Does it make any difference that Mount St. Helens is a volcano?

Re: Build your fanbase using the K-pop method

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Post by xwowsersx »

metadat wrote: post #115
xwowsersx wrote: post #74

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I regularly use archive.org to avoid the distorting and invasive pop-ups that regularly litter web pages these days, but I feel this is a bit of an overreaction in this case. I suppose they could position the sign-up area at the top of the page (or even in the middle). But tbf, the point of Substack is for readers to stay in touch with their favorite writers and for writers to build a readership. Thus, prompting the…

It is annoying to have it on every article. It didn't use to be like this, they're making the platform more user hostile in the name of growth. It's not very nice.

I don't disagree with you there.

Re: Build your fanbase using the K-pop method

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Post by sekia »

YurgenJurgensen wrote: post #112
moviewatcher333 wrote: post #111

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The real money maker is in goods. A genuinely high quality anime takes time and money to make. Otaku fan service can be churned out along with loads of cheap knick knacks. There’s also the whole gacha game industry which ties into those series. K-pop is similar. People obsess over a band and not only buy an album, they buy an overpriced can of coffee with a picture of their favorite star, a shirt, a bracelet, order a…

The only two examples you listed are primarily gacha games though. If you meant to draw parallels between K-pop and gacha, why mention anime when they're never the primary medium? And even then, the real money still isn't in the goods, it's in getting people to waste their life's savings gambling for JPEGs.

Both of the games are based on anime franchise, though. Even aside from that, here in Japan it is not uncommon for enthusiastic anime fans to throw multi-thousand $ for goods (including fan-made "doujin" items), live concerts of voice actors/actresses, travels to model locations and so on. I don't see any difference between their mind and K-pop fans'.
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