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Someone is pretending to be me

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Re: Someone is pretending to be me

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I'm a US-based accountant who is currently interviewing for his first job in software and I was approached by someone on on LinkedIn about an opportunity. Seemed fishy, but figured I could risk 15 minutes. The person set up a meeting between me and a Taiwanese Developer for this exact thing. He said he had 7 years experience and had a contract drafted for he and I to become "business partner" where I would take the m…

If I can play devil's advocate for a moment... if the company gets decent work, the non-US participant gets better (and fairer, globally) pay compared to what they'd get locally, and the US participant takes care of the "soft" side of the operation... who's getting hurt? I can't deny that something smells skeevy about this and I don't think I could ever trust a random foreign developer who I haven't built up a solid…

Everybody wins until the tax man comes knocking for all of the dollars owed, or when "Connor Tumbleson" gets flagged as a terrible employee when all those copy-pasted qualifications don't line up with reality and the work is mediocre. As reported elsewhere in these threads, the credentials and interview process are all worked out upfront, the interview no long becomes a valid test of qualifications for the position.

This entire scam can be done entirely legally by subcontracting the work to your foreign friend, if your clients allow for that; if the end result is of decent enough quality then I don't see why they wouldn't. You'd be on the hook if they mess up, but the same is true when you lie to your friend's employers.

However, these people choose not to go the legal route, instead relying on lies and fraud. They go as far as to hire others to do part of their lying just to get into a company.

Personally, I'd call the authorities the moment I'd find out an employee of mine has been lying about their qualifications and experience from the very first day to fake it through the interview. You cannot trust someone whose entire career is built on top of lies, or someone who actively enables such behaviour.

I'm not sure if these people are a small step up from the call center scammers because at least they deliver something or a small step down because they're supposedly capable enough to do better. I'm sympathetic to the third world programmers that have the capabilities to earn some of the absolutely insane wages American programmers get paid, but I completely oppose the large-scale fraud these lying-as-a-service middlemen employ to make money.

Re: Someone is pretending to be me

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> I hope Andrew [0] — the college junior with morals who blew the whistle on the attempt to get him to impersonate the author — gets an internship or job offer out of this; he apparently was having a hard time with that. Excellent point. I've been wondering about ways to test students on "trust/morals" and decided its one of the most valuable yet least well understood qualities. Employers generally rank skills, knowl…

>Does a corporation care if the worker is an imposter and liar who abused a false identity to get the post, so long as they produce working results? It's definitely a concern when you need to worry about spies infiltrating your company

Also - how likely are they to be able to continue doing so, and how much of my companies sensitive information is being leaked to who knows where by whom? Including data that opens up the company to some giant liability lawsuit or PR issue later?

Re: Someone is pretending to be me

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> Is it a good legal/corporate decision to hide the person who claims to be the original and let him listen to the interview with the other candidate? Consider the situation from the perspective of the interviewer: They don't have all of the background we did while reading this blog. They haven't even had time to process what Connor #1 said by the time that Connor #2 arrives. The decision to hear them both out for a…

Which one do I shoot!?

Best to be sure. Shoot them both.

Re: Someone is pretending to be me

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Haha, when you put it like that, I can totally see why the interviewer was "awesome" and let the guy stay on. He was totally there for the drama.

Now that I think about it, I bet you could put together a pretty successful YouTube series of messing with zoom interviews in ways just like this. Get someone's identical twin to join the call and make them fight over who's the real one. Bring time travel into it. Make outlandish demands of the interviewer to prove that they're not a Zorblaxian spy.

Like Catfish, but for jobs.

Re: Someone is pretending to be me

#125
Andrew here. Connor, thanks for releasing this on the orange site.

This story is also more fun from my position. I've been applying to internships and interviewing every week. They're mostly rejections. They're the same questions over and over with minor variation (sorry to top comment for "impersonating" your comment style). My days are deteriorating from a colorful sphere down to two points. In fact, down to two pointers, left and right, iterating over a list of heights to find how much rain water it can trap.

I'm about to repeat the experience for the 10th time and I'm 100% on autopilot. But suddenly, a man reaches out to me on email and offers me up to $80/hr to be his senior engineer. This feels sketchy, my girlfriend tells me, "you're good but let's be honest here...". Anyways, I proceed, it might just be the start of a beautiful thing. I'm asked to interview as one of our developers because English is not their best language. I'm a little bothered, but I was fine with it. But then I see the developer name: Connor Tumbleson. My laughter bursts and so does my suspicion: With a name like that, no way the guy doesn't speak good English. I look up Connor Tumbleson on linkedin, and my suspicions were proved correct. I detail everything to Connor, and now this is on the top of HN. I lost a opprotunity but gained a story of the lifetime.

Re: Someone is pretending to be me

#126
sketchy interview stuff is how ronin got hacked. I feel like impersonating other people in a job market or "fake interviews" will be more common. Really scary and a relatively common practice compared to the knowledge out there about it.

Re: Someone is pretending to be me

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My friend, who is still earning a 200K salary 9 months later. He got terrible initial reviews, but they kept him.

Sounds like they’re stealing that salary, not earning it. Hope they work at a place that will never affect me personally.

> Sounds like they’re stealing that salary, not earning it.

On the contrary – if someone has been at a company for 9 months & had terrible early reviews, the company had about ~6 months to deal with them. In my experience, truly bad hires get lukewarm 30 day feedback, negative 3 month feedback, and are on a PIP soon after.

If you're there after 9 months, it suggests you've demonstrated some level of value to your employer.

Re: Someone is pretending to be me

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Pay out to whom? Surely the employment paperwork, the pay checks, the direct deposit forms would have to also be under the assumed name?

It's not hard to find local cut-outs in most areas. In most cases, those folks are also patsies. Another, different party who cashes checks written to their name in exchange for a cut, for example. As an example, there is still the old in the tooth craigslist 'oops, I sent too large a cashiers check, can you send me the extra?' scam, which is an even more obvious ripoff, and people fall for that all the time. If appr…

I wasn't even thinking about the fact that it leaves a paper trail. I was just thinking about the fact that the company who ostensibly hired "John Doe" is being given payment details for "Jack Frost".

Re: Someone is pretending to be me

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I could sure use a flowchart to follow this story. Baffling level of fraud.

Whenever I read these kinds of super-complicated scams, I can't help but think if the scammer would have instead invested all that time and effort into legitimate tech and interviewing skills, he/she could have just come in the front door! It's like the person who spends hundreds of hours putting together the perfect exam cheating scheme, where they could have instead put in half of that time actually studying! Or, i…

The guy organising it appears to be living in a lower middle income country with technical skills limited to badly installing WordPress plugins and doubts about his spoken English.

Even if he actually has the capability to become a really good programmer, I'm not sure he's going to beat getting half of potentially dozens of US-based developers' contract incomes for less effort than spamming job boards and running a Slack channel

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