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Dear Chess World, At the 2022 Sinquefield Cup, I made the unprecedented professional decision to withdraw from the tournament after my round three game against Hans Niemann. A week later during the Champions Chess Tour, I resigned against Hans Niemann after playing only one move. I know that my actions have frustrated many in the chess community. I'm frustrated. I want to play chess. I want to continue to play chess…

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Re: Dear Chess World

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post #20

Dear Chess World, At the 2022 Sinquefield Cup, I made the unprecedented professional decision to withdraw from the tournament after my round three game against Hans Niemann. A week later during the Champions Chess Tour, I resigned against Hans Niemann after playing only one move. I know that my actions have frustrated many in the chess community. I'm frustrated. I want to play chess. I want to continue to play chess…

"I'm not saying Hans Niemann cheated in this very specific instance against me. I'm just saying he's a professional cheater, and that fact may or may not be related to my withdrawal in a game against him after just one move." Carlsen is all but accusing Niemann of having cheated against him. Why can't he go the extra step? Is this something his lawyers have advised him to do? (I don't have a dog in this fight)

Read his statement again. He does accuse Niemann of cheating against him at the Sinquefield Cup. His reasoning is more feel/behaviour based.

Re: Dear Chess World

#123
I'm not sure I have ever understood the Magnus hype. This whole thing... It makes me certain he did not deserve it. Unless he's proven right somehow... But generally as a sportsman it's not up to you to play referee. Maybe they should take bullying in chess just as seriously as cheating.

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#124
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. Niemann has admitted to cheating in the past, and has apparently been banned from some past events for cheating. So Carlsen can safely relate to the public that he believes Niemann to be a "cheater". But to say for a fact that Niemann cheated in a specific match, he'd be communicating a statement of fact. If that statement is false, or could colorably be argued as false, then Niemann can take him to court for de…

Note that the above defamation is the US-based one, I believe. Other countries have vastly different statues, and in some cases true statements of fact can be defamation (if they were not widely known, I believe).

But he already accused Neimann of cheating ... the slander is already there.

If I were Neimann I would actually sue now.

Re: Dear Chess World

#125

I am limited in what I can say without explicit permission from Niemann What? I'd like him to explicitly state what rule/law/agreement prevents him from saying more. He explicitly accused him of cheating. I can't imagine what would prevent him from providing details.

Magnus owns 20% of Chess.com. Chess.com put out a statement basically saying 'we have sent Hans evidence that he cheated more than the two times he admitted to'

Chess.com / Magnus is waiting for Niemann to respond.

Re: Dear Chess World

#126

The bigger question to me is why Nieman, who had admitted cheating in the past, was admitted to the tournament in the first place.

Part of it is that he cheated on Chess.com which does not publicize bannings for cheating/punishments, so there wasn't really a reason for the tournament to not invite him since at that point from an organizers perspective it was just rumors.

Re: Dear Chess World

#127

These situations are never great.. there's no "best way to handle things" when the drama reaches a certain level. Carlsen specifically mentions that there are Niemann details he can't or won't reveal. Niemann could release him from that confidence, but I think Carlsen's reputation is strong enough that doubting this doesn't seem reasonable. Personally, I think shading Carlsen, in isolation, seems misguided to me.

> there's no "best way to handle things" when the drama reaches a certain level. I agree, but that's mostly where my frustration with Carlsen is rooted. He had the choice with how to handle this - he went out of his way to choose the dramatic route. He better have some conclusive evidence to back up the hurricane-sized shitstorm he's whipped up here. If it turns out the entire chess community got manipulated by a sin…

Well, he is just a person. Under high level of stress, we all make bad decisions that lead to more drama. I can easily think of several worse ways he could have handled this -- at least he didn't go into any weird public rants.

Re: Dear Chess World

#128
Carlson should just challenge Niemann to a 30 game over the board televised match in their shorts (no shoes, no shirt) at Madison Square Garden. With the revenue generated from ticket sales and advertising, they could both retire and international chess can put this episode behind them.

Re: Dear Chess World

#129
post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's one thing to say an old man cheated when he was 12 years old, it's yet another to say a 19 year old did it just a handful of years ago. He's still a kid.

It's a third of his life ago. Were you the same person at 19 as you were at 12?

He cheated at 16 by his own admission.

Re: Dear Chess World

#130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think you become the best or second best player through a mindset that includes "I'll cheat if that's what it takes to reach the top".

All the history of doping in the Olympics would disagree. It is possible that some people can reach quite a high level but top out in their natural abilities well below the absolute top of the game and be incentivized to cheat to break through their personal, natural ceiling.

Or even further, look at professional cycling in the 90s and 2000s. It wasn't just people doping to break through their ceiling to reach the top, literally everyone at the top was doping and it was necessary to be able to keep up.

Even worse than "some people are cheating to make it to the elite level" would be "everyone at the elite level is cheating, you can't compete without cheating".

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