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Okta and Auth0 Blocking Cuba, Iran, N Korea, Syria, Crimea, Luhansk, Donetsk

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Re: Okta and Auth0 Blocking Cuba, Iran, N Korea, Syria, Crimea, Luhansk, Donetsk

#121
post #69

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Banning automated enforcement is also the end of free and maybe even cheap services on the Internet.

Okay, I don't mind. I am not rich but I would agree to double and triple on my internet subscription if the Internet would be made significantly better (scarce and exclusively curated non-intrusive ads, no tracking, no DRMs, no forced/nudged "engagement", no automated enforcement, no paywalls, everything easy to download and or syndicate, etc.). In fact I would already pay Google and Facebook if they would seriously…

> In fact I would already pay Google and Facebook if they would seriously stop treating me as a product and would consider me a client whom they would act in best interest of.

They do. But their customers are their advertisers, not their users. Their users are literally the product. Their public services are bait for eyeballs.

If you were a fish, on a hook, would you offer to pay the fisherman for better tasting bait? The fisherman isn’t concerned about the bait as long as it’s good enough to catch you and send you to market.

Re: Okta and Auth0 Blocking Cuba, Iran, N Korea, Syria, Crimea, Luhansk, Donetsk

#122
I'm a victim of communist Cuban regime and won't name here all my family has to suffer and endure under that system. People, companies and countries should not do business with dictatorial regimes, period. Regardless of any mental justification, is immoral and only support those regimes to continue exploiting and abusing its own people with your aid, greedy businessman. Then you go on with your life hypocritically saying that you care for others and care for the planet and blah blah. You only care for you and your money, you worth nothing.

Re: Okta and Auth0 Blocking Cuba, Iran, N Korea, Syria, Crimea, Luhansk, Donetsk

#123
post #41

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Cuba's biggest export is effectively doctors. But, sure, buy into decades old anti-communist propaganda!

Yes lets just swallow the Cuban propaganda that their medicine is somehow magical and more advanced that every other, and ignore the fact that their government have been surviving as a parasite from other countries, helping the dictators stay in power

Indeed, Cuba had more that 167000 covid deaths because they refuse to give its citizens foreign and proven vaccines. Trying to develop its own to profit selling it to another countries. of course they've failed. They refuse to provide scientific results that it's vaccines works. On top of that hospitals are empty of everything needed: no hygiene, no medicines, no even doctors because the government "exports" them for cash to other countries neglecting its own necessities and Doctors gladly agree to earn a bit more of the 50 USD dollars a moth they would earn working in cuba a MONTH

Re: Okta and Auth0 Blocking Cuba, Iran, N Korea, Syria, Crimea, Luhansk, Donetsk

#124

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This is very different than Facebook. This isn't a company that also happens to provide auth to get more tracking for their main product. The auth is the main service for okta and it's used by people making decision about whether they want to build this in-house or outsource it.

There are two problems here 1) let a third party handle authentication (Code) 2) let a third party handle authentication (SSO) Number 1: don't do that Number 2: Only do that if you are in control of SSO, or if you are very certain you won't have problems contacting the provider. (so not google in this case)

> Only do that if you are in control of SSO

In reality: you do this if TCO of doing it internally < TCO of doing it externally + risk. There's quite a few people who estimate the risk is worth it.

Re: Okta and Auth0 Blocking Cuba, Iran, N Korea, Syria, Crimea, Luhansk, Donetsk

#125

Oh, nice, my company is just integrating Okta. Is Cuba still being punished for daring to host Soviet missiles? I think the way we've treated them is really terrible.

I think if we're going to root-cause this, what really got the ire of the Americans was good old fashioned land reform after the revolution. They hate land reform, happened in Guatemala too.

Re: Okta and Auth0 Blocking Cuba, Iran, N Korea, Syria, Crimea, Luhansk, Donetsk

#126

At the start of this year, I was in Cuba. While in Cuba, I opened my bank app to check my balance. Just that, not to make any transactions. I am a EU citizen. I only have EU bank accounts. The app I used was of a EU bank. There are no EU sanctions against Cuba at this time or at the time I was there. I also have no relation to the USA, I was never there or have business there. A few days after opening my bank app ( a…

Do you know that or do you assume that? There are global trade and sanction contracts between USA and eu fyi and the financial sector is even more strongly regulated.

Know or assume what? That the email was automated? Yeah, I mean I don’t know 100% but I highly doubt a human analysed the situation and typed an email.

What seems more likely to me is, a request came from my app to some bank server. The server detected the request coming from Cuba and flagged the account as having suspicious activity, that in turn triggering an automated message.

Maybe there was indeed a guy somewhere in an office who saw one request to my account coming from Cuba and decided to have some fun and said he’ll turn my account off. I don’t know. Whatever it is, it’s creepy it happened.

Re: Okta and Auth0 Blocking Cuba, Iran, N Korea, Syria, Crimea, Luhansk, Donetsk

#127
post #68

Oh, nice, my company is just integrating Okta. Is Cuba still being punished for daring to host Soviet missiles? I think the way we've treated them is really terrible.

No, I think the sanctions came from expropriating US property without restitution.

Note: the "US property" in question here was basically all of the agricultural land in Cuba

Re: Okta and Auth0 Blocking Cuba, Iran, N Korea, Syria, Crimea, Luhansk, Donetsk

#128

I don't get it. If we're insisting that Crimea, Lugansk and Donetsk are Ukraine and the people are Ukranian, then why block/sanction people there who have no control over the situation?

Two reasons:

- To inconvenience the institutions of the occupier just in that area (Why just there? To avoid removing their incentives to change and to avoid crippling your own companies who provide a service there. If you sanction the occupier fully, they'll double down, perceive it as an escalation, and your own companies will be significantly hurt. They'll find an alternative, and once they do, they won't need your service any longer, so you lose leverage.)

- To frustrate the local populace so that even the milder ones have additional incentives to oppose the occupying regime.

Re: Okta and Auth0 Blocking Cuba, Iran, N Korea, Syria, Crimea, Luhansk, Donetsk

#130
post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cuba exports terrorism and misery across the region. The dictatorships in Cuba, Venezuela, and Nicaragua fly under the radar these days, but are no less noxious to humanity than the regimes in Russia, Iran, NK, etc. You can argue whether or not sanctions are an effective way to promote regime change, or if they just hurt the regular citizens of rogue governments. I think they are often quite ineffective. But there's…

Cuba's biggest export is effectively doctors. But, sure, buy into decades old anti-communist propaganda!

The US is pretty evil and sanctions on Cuba just affect regular people on the island and keep Florida politicians alive, but Cuba is way eviler. They don't export doctors, they do human trafficking for the enrichment of the communists and their families. Many of my friends were sent to Brazil and Venezuela as doctors, of the 3000 a month dollars the governments of these countries paid them, they only got $200 a month and the gov kept the rest while they were risking their life's in bad neighborhoods and very isolated places in the Amazonas. Does this money go back to help the regular citizen? Nope, it goes to Castro's families and the other new commies that are in power now, there is more poverty, and there are very few hours of electricity in a day right now, there is hunger compared to or worse than Africa and Haiti, there is repression and incarceration of young people who are protesting regularly, including 16-year-old kids and young women. It's that the embargo fault, nope completely, there is no production of anything, communists steal everything for their own enrichment from the government companies. Their media brags about the doctor exports and being a medical potency, yet my mom spent 4 months in pain to see a doctor because all of them have been exported or young ones left the country. There are zero medicines and one person in my family almost died of COVID if they didn't move fast and bribe the hospital director with dollars and suddenly there was medicine. Did they help fight apartheid in Africa? Yep and that was nice but they sent people against their will there, people who were kids and were in the mandatory military service, if you refused to go they did acts of repudiation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acts_of_repudiation) with your neighbors and got a job was hard or impossible after you said no. I still know people traumatized from that war.

Source: I was born and raised there my entire life, and just came from there last weekend.

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