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Re: Flanderization

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Post by bjourne »

rockbruno wrote: post #62
adamgordonbell wrote: post #5

There is a tendency for this to happen in real life with influencers. Certain aspects resonate with an audience and so they overemphasize them. https://gurwinder.substack.com/p/the-perils-of-audience-capt...

I watch an youtuber that makes videos about life in Japan and he mentioned recently about how this drives the direction of his videos against his will. Despite producing extremely high-quality videos, every video is accompanied by clickbait titles and the classic "=O" idiotic face thumbnail. The quality contrast between the cover and the video is immediately clear once you start watching the content. He mentioned tha…

Ah, the YouTube face! It's so weird that video creators have to have a shot of themselves making a stupid face to get viewers. Are we the consumers that stupid?

Re: Flanderization

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Post by djmips »

sircastor wrote: post #75
adamgordonbell wrote: post #5

There is a tendency for this to happen in real life with influencers. Certain aspects resonate with an audience and so they overemphasize them. https://gurwinder.substack.com/p/the-perils-of-audience-capt...

There’s a YouTuber I like whose early work included a lot of genuine excitement and enthusiasm when he’d get a project working. Recently it feels like the energy is a little manufactured, for the audience. I still like his stuff, but sometimes it feels a little off.

That's pretty common to see. I immediately thought of several examples like Great Scott who I don't watch anymore.

Re: Flanderization

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Post by cma »

Multicomp wrote: post #10
nkozyra wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, it's a sad part of culture in 2022 - an enormous abandonment of creativity or authenticity for clicks. Even sadder that it works.

It reminds me of the ancient concept of patronage. If you were a patron, you housed and fed your client, and in return, they were expected to act the part out. So if you had a garden hermit, they needed to act their part out, and act grateful and glad to you. If you treated them badly, say, giving them a crappy house to hermit about in, they were expected to still act grateful to your face, but damage your reputation…

Is there an estimate somewhere of how many garden hermits there were in history?

Re: Flanderization

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Post by pabs3 »

shanusmagnus wrote: post #32

This is one of those moments that makes me fall in love with the internet all over again. I've thought about this idea (without knowing there was a term for it!) wrt aging in real life. So many people seem to become increasingly caricature as they get older. The guy who likes woodworking and European travel becomes the embodiment of woodworking and European travel. It's all he talks about. His kids roll their eyes at…

Sounds like a memetic black hole.

Re: Flanderization

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Post by lvxferre »

xwdv wrote: post #108

Part of why I could never really get around to starting a blog is because I have too many topics I’d want to talk about from so many different interests that there wouldn’t be much of an audience for it except for people who just want to know about my life, which is no one. You either flanderize or talk to the void. Instead, I write comments everywhere across several different threads in many forums. I am an expert i…

Write because you have something that you want to talk about, not for the sake of an audience.

This is coming from someone whose blog has zero readers.

Re: Flanderization

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Post by lvxferre »

motohagiography wrote: post #7

Is Flanderization just synecdoche - where one attribute becomes the reference for the whole, or is it a new co-oridnate on the spectrum of metonymy and simile? The comment about Rick and Morty actively avoiding the flanderizing of their characters seems a bit off, as the whole season 5 finale was the flanderization of Morty, where he (a version of him) self actualizes as blandly malevolent, likely acting on urges tha…

> Is Flanderization just synecdoche - where one attribute becomes the reference for the whole, or is it a new co-oridnate on the spectrum of metonymy and simile?

Not quite; it's a character development process, not a figure of speech. The final result might lead to the attributes being the sole reference for the whole, but what matters is the process.

Re: Flanderization

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Post by Sateeshm »

adamgordonbell wrote: post #5

There is a tendency for this to happen in real life with influencers. Certain aspects resonate with an audience and so they overemphasize them. https://gurwinder.substack.com/p/the-perils-of-audience-capt...

This is great article. Thank you for sharing!

Re: Flanderization

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Post by majou »

bjourne wrote: post #121
rockbruno wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I watch an youtuber that makes videos about life in Japan and he mentioned recently about how this drives the direction of his videos against his will. Despite producing extremely high-quality videos, every video is accompanied by clickbait titles and the classic "=O" idiotic face thumbnail. The quality contrast between the cover and the video is immediately clear once you start watching the content. He mentioned tha…

Ah, the YouTube face! It's so weird that video creators have to have a shot of themselves making a stupid face to get viewers. Are we the consumers that stupid?

It's only natural. Expressions convey a lot; they drive curiosity and makes the content seem more important to watch ("what made them make that face?").

I avoid any and all videos using the tactic because it feels crude, tho..

Re: Flanderization

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Post by danrocks »

kirse wrote: post #64
hackingthelema wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

'Flanderization' as a term was on TV Tropes as early as 2006: https://web.archive.org/web/20060512061148/https://tvtropes....

Well then, I would have gotten away with it if it wasn't for you meddling kids.

Also a TV trope: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/YouMeddlingKids

Re: Flanderization

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Post by panick21_ »

mtlmtlmtlmtl wrote: post #28
motohagiography wrote: post #7

Is Flanderization just synecdoche - where one attribute becomes the reference for the whole, or is it a new co-oridnate on the spectrum of metonymy and simile? The comment about Rick and Morty actively avoiding the flanderizing of their characters seems a bit off, as the whole season 5 finale was the flanderization of Morty, where he (a version of him) self actualizes as blandly malevolent, likely acting on urges tha…

Rick And Morty really took a nosedive for me the last couple seasons. It's always just been a fun-when-high recycling of Star Trek episodes and well-known sci-fi ideas to me, but it always had its own style, clever writing and great acting(especially Sarah Chalke). Lately the writing has felt a lot lazier, and I guess they ran out of good Star Trek episodes(understandable since none have been made for almost 20 years…

There were defiantly some weaker episodes, but some are still really good. The new season ep 1 was pretty good. You can't keep peak quality consistently, no show really can.

You are gone have some stinkers in there, like dragons. Their take on heists was pretty damn awesome I have to say, very nice spin on the traditional heist. The dragons thing was terrible.

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