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Re: Ask HN: Generalist contractors, what is your hourly rate?

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I’m not sure if I qualify as generalist, but this should still be relevant: It depends. Did I go through an agency, or find the client myself? Do they need _me_ or a butt in a seat? Will the work be fun, or awful, or is there any on-call expectation (which is worse than awful and probably a hard no)? Discounts for bulk and prepayment. Also, hourly rates are the worst. Value pricing is a hard leap; a much easier thing…

I think incentives are misaligned either way. You have to match the structure to the situation. I have a friend, a great sydadmin/devops/infrastructure person. He never takes full-time jobs; his deal is always for 32 hours/week. His reasoning? 32 hours is 32 hours, but full time is all the time. He leads a much happier life than most ops-ish people I know. Maybe you have the sort of clients where day/weekly rates wor…

> If I'm going to do an 80-hour week to get something out in time, I'm going to get paid for every bit of it, and I want them to feel the pain when they see the bills.

That's a great point, maybe a way to mitigate that is a combination in your contract of a weekly rate + hours cap, and then just really good communication on time you're spending. But I must admit, that ruins one of the incentives for weekly billing for me, and that is not having to atomically track time and nickle and dime every little task.

Re: Ask HN: Generalist contractors, what is your hourly rate?

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Have you tried asking for more? If you're actually good at everything you say, you could be making the same amount of cash plus benefits at a FANG, so I'd expect the contracting rate to be much higher.

$500k + benefits? Are you sure? Especially since you don't really know anything about the parent commenter (for example: their location)

I’m located in Midwest USA. My states median family income for a year is $10k more than my monthly.

Re: Ask HN: Generalist contractors, what is your hourly rate?

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I build web apps from start to finish by myself (architecture, design, development, database, servers, marketing page etc.).

I bill $500/day, but do project based billing, with 50% payment up-front, 25% on first preview, and 25% on delivery. For improvements and new features on existing projects, I estimate the avg. monthly work and we do monthly retainer agreements.

I usually work with seed stage startups (usually referred to me by the angel investors) or bootstrapped B2B tech companies acting as their dev. team.

My rate is lower than others mentioned in this thread, but I live in Turkey, which compared to EU/USA, has very low cost of living, and this rates allow me to live comfortably.

That said, after doing this for 10+ years, I'm finally pivoting to creating my own SaaS products, and stopped accepting new clients and slowing down the works with existing clients.

Re: Ask HN: Generalist contractors, what is your hourly rate?

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Where would one go and look for those kind of vacancies?

You either connect to a freelance broker or you network your way into such things. In my experience no advertises on job boards that they are looking for contractors.

And where do you find freelance brokers?

Re: Ask HN: Generalist contractors, what is your hourly rate?

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In Canada, $80/hr. Aiming for $90 for my next contract starting next month. Or to move to the US and make way more, apparently.

In Canada too but long term multi year international contract leading small dev team. $150/hr 40 hours week.

Re: Ask HN: Generalist contractors, what is your hourly rate?

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Man. I (CISSP, CISA), 20 years of experience, everything from development to dev management to sales and marketing to finance to fundraising, the whole shebang, do ISO27001 ISMS’s and coach through certifications… for $70/hr. But then, my clients are based in the U.K., where technology is still generally seen as worthless.

That's what a (Master-level) plumber charges per hour in Germany. By offering such discounted rates, people consider you 'less valuable' a priori. I have indeed heard anti-"IT" sentiments in the UK, where managers often come from outside disciplines (e.g. "politics, philosophy and economics" type of oxbridge degrees). Some of these people adjust quickly and pick up technical skills naturally, whereas others couldn't…

I work in the UK and it's a fair estimate that a good percentage of senior managers haven't got a clue when it comes to IT and technology in general. Having said that, people aren't necessarily stupid: if the pitch is right, they would adopt the solution and pay decent consulting rates. The biggest problem is that both groups do struggle to meet each other.

Re: Ask HN: Generalist contractors, what is your hourly rate?

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Ten-some years ago I started at $100/hour and I thought that was a good idea. "Great, I'll make $200k a year and pay 45% in taxes, that's fine, I can live on that." I thought that being attractive to more people was a better way to find clients.

I didn't have a problem finding clients, but they were clients that I didn't see panning out — they gave me vibes of being poor executors. I looked for a way to filter out these "app idea bros" as I called them.

The first thing I did was change my rate to $150/hour.

Again, I didn't have a problem finding clients; they were still the clients that I didn't see panning out, though.

I kept increasing it until I got three prospects in a row that had huge concerns paying what I was asking: granted, it as a lot more than anyone should ever pay for any skillset that wasn't life or death, but it helped me find a balance.

Eventually I settled on $375/hour, prepaid, and prepaid weekly. I still have no problem finding clients, but the quality of client has significantly increased. I also now am much more happy to filter clients out — I let them know that, too.

I rarely negotiate on it. I'll negotiate on scope (time), or really narrow focus so that my value can be had in a much more focused manner.

Before, my marketable skill was "developer, with business chops". My acumen has evolved, sure, so my marketable skills have too. But how I approach it has changed greatly.

My value prop is quite extensive: I am a one-stop shop for all things idea, from both a business and product standpoint. I contribute at the executive level, I build the product, I share fifty ways that a product could fail and find new ways that it could succeed.

Most importantly, though, I tell clients what they don't need, and I don't spare any time to do so. "Well, my friend said that they use AWS and Kubernetes, don't we need that to scale?", to which I reply, "Cool, I'm happy for them, but you don't need it, no; $PaaS is fine until you reach their limits and it starts becoming a problem — you have three paying customers who are operating off your hacked-together MVP; thus, it's not a problem. Please, do yourself a favor and stop talking to friends about what they use and go talk to customers and potential customers while I'm building this."

This builds trust, and is the most important tool in my bag of tricks: not my background in Ruby development, not how productive I am, not my experience in having already solved seemingly 99.9% of the problems people face in building and scaling web apps. Those are all superficial and nice-to-haves.

Trust is the most important thing I sell, followed by my ability to say "no". The practical and tangible experience in design, development, systems, content, email campaigns, copy, branding... my clients could hire anyone to do those things better than I could — people can specialize in it. I specialize in saying no, and, while the jury is still out on this, I haven't quite been proven completely wrong yet — and one of my biggest kinks is being wrong.

I miss client work. It was stressful at times, and at times kind of lonely. I've pivoted to other things to build skillsets that were practical, but I still find myself picking up the odd job here and there.

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