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Re: Please Poach Me

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They're desperate, and they get paid a lot if everything goes well. They could carefully screen each person for exact suitability, throw out bad matches and bring in only a few good ones. Or they could throw huge numbers of resumes and see if any stick. If the recruiter doesn't have excellent technical judgement (few do), the approaches basically pay the same.

What I don't understand is: why don't the recruiters that do carefully screen people just wipe out those that don't? Are there enough companies that are too clueless to hire a good one that the bad ones still get enough results to keep doing it?

I believe the answer to that is the market segmentation. There are so many different type of segments (by programming language, years of experience, company size, industry etc.) that it is very hard for recruiters to spread across too many different segments. So they stick with a few, work them for years, build up a huge network and get really good in these few segments. But of course there is still lots of room in other segments for less qualitative focused recruiters to make a buck by just playing the numbers game.

Re: Please Poach Me

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LinkedIn likes to brag about how it's reasonably priced... Just $18 per resume. "The cost to obtain a qualified resume on LinkedIn was less than CareerBuilder; $18.33 per resume versus $175.50." http://talent.linkedin.com/blog/index.php/2009/12/cost-per-r... I don't think pricing is going to be the problem here.

That's not comparable at all. Or rather it is, but it makes LinkedIn look exactly the same price, with a bigger candidate pool. The $18 per resume there is after human screening removed the bad resumes. Pleasepoachme charges $10 per match - and as far as I can see all they do is a text match on the requirements. In the post you linked to, he had to review 39 LinkedIn resumes to get 11 qualified candidates. Based on t…

Opposed to how pleasepoachme works; here is a free experimental web site we created; http://www.jobrupt.com. Jobrupt is for job seekers to initiate a job application by asking publicly the companies to create or open a job position for them by telling how they can add value and why they are the best candidate. Could anyone provide me with some hints or ideas if jobrupt would help anyone? Or is the idea too unrealistic?

Re: Please Poach Me

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I think this is brilliant. And I think that it will be successful as evidenced from the strong opinions in this thread. Strong opinions help products spread. The fact that some people hate this app is only evidence that they'll tell someone else how much they hate it; which can only help you. I'm a big fan of polarizing products.

I agree, it is super polarizing. The fact that it was ranked at #1 at HN for quite a while is proof of it. I am excited, that someone tries to tackle the passive job seeking market. The market for active seekers with indeed.com, simplyhired.com, monster.com, careerbuilder.com etc. is already pretty crowded, but nobody has really cracked the passive job seeking market. Granted that it's current form has its flaws (I assume it is just a first version), but this could be huge.

Re: Please Poach Me

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Just curious about your fourth point above... Why do you think two landing pages would be better? I've seen this approach used on a number of other sites that are seemingly successful, and am debating the single landing page approach for a project of mine, so I would be interested to hear the pros and cons.

I'm not really an expert on landing pages, it just seems to me that coming up with a good landing page for one set of users is hard enough... This isn't that bad until the first horizontal line (except for the fox), where it's clearly targeted at the users, with a smaller link for companies. But I don't think it works below the line. I think they should focus on the users and assume that the recruiters are profession…

We would love if you could also give some hints about www.jobrupt.com; a free web tool - in beta, for people to initiate job applications. (pls excuses for the design and language)

Re: Please Poach Me

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Cool idea! The biggest risk of volunteering yourself to get poached is that your company finds out BEFORE you get poached. Everyone loses :-( If you block people at the same company, that could be a good way around it for sure. Do you think salary is the only thing that motivates people wanting to leave? Ancillary benefits to the job may be greater motivators for current employees to switch jobs, no?

I agree, ancillary benefits could be just as (or even more) important than salary; in my case salary isn't even in the top 5 things that are motivating me to change my job - even on the low side of the market rate for developers you can have a very nice standard of living. Personally, other motivations for me include: - Being able to work with a team with diverse skills, who're smarter / more talented than me and can…

Yeah, that's all great, but how do you advertise that sort of thing? I mean, as far as I can tell, it's again the "who you know" network- if you know someone at the company, and they trust/respect you enough to be honest about it rather than going for the referral bonus, (and/or if they are honest enough with themselves to not talk up or talk down the company they work for... I am shocked every day by how loyal some people are to employers that can only be described as abusive.) you can find out about working conditions.

But, you know? things are already pretty dang good for those of us that "know people" - If you have a large and functional network, you don't need job sites, and you don't need recruiters. It's been half a decade since I've gotten a job through a recruiter where I didn't pre-arrange things with the decision maker before the recruiter even saw my resume. (quite often for contract gigs at large companies, even if the decision maker knows you and wants you, there is still a body shop in the loop.)

The whole point of recruiters, job sites, and that whole industry is to try to move beyond "It's who you know" and while that is a laudable goal, I don't think they have made a whole heck of a lot of progress, in part due to the intangibles you describe, but eh, I think that communicating the intangibles about the employer to the potential employee has all the same problems of communicating the intangibles of the potential employee to the employer, and neither problem has been solved.

Re: Please Poach Me

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As a hiring manager, why would I hire people who advertise themselves to be poached? In a couple of months, I'm not really sure if they will still be interested, or if they are already on the site again. I guess that depends if you can keep them interested first.

Isn't it normal to hire people who are already employed but looking for work? How would someone is who looking to get poached any different than someone looking for a job the "normal" way?

I suppose there are hiring managers who prefer to hire unemployed people but I suspect they prefer desperate job applicants.

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