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Hacking the Hedonic Treadmill

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"Commercial breaks––people actually enjoy TV more with commercials." I've never enjoyed being disrupted by commercials nor has anyone else. This is why Tivo became so popular

A lot of shows are/were designed with commercials in mind. For example, the villain will shoot at the protagonist without showing whether or not the shots hit until after the commercial break. That extended suspense has been more or less lost in the age of Netflix (unless shows design for that suspense in another way).

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"Commercial breaks––people actually enjoy TV more with commercials." I've never enjoyed being disrupted by commercials nor has anyone else. This is why Tivo became so popular

Agree - at best one gets used to commercials, like dirt in the house until the vacuuming can happen, but one never enjoys them. I didn't realize how much I hated ads until I tried Netflix a few years ago - I've never been able to watch tv/cable/ad-supported "free" content since then.

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Anna Lembke’s “Dopamine Nation” has a lot of interesting takes on the subject. One takeaway I got is that dopamine seeks a balance. Opting for pleasure seeking often ends up getting experienced as pain. An example of that is drug tolerance. Oddly, the reverse is also true: seeking pain can often lead to an experience of pleasure. The invigorated feeling after a cold shower, or how hard exercise leads to highs. She is…

Are exercise highs real? Do all people experience them or is it a genetic niche? I've tried a bunch of different exercise methods. Gone running, swimming, weightlifting etc and I've never experienced anything close to a high afterward. I'll be tired, sometimes I'll feel proud of breaking a personal record but there's never any physical positive sensation or euphoria to me that would resemble the "runners high" that p…

The exercise high is subtle, it's not a high like smoking a bunch of pot or getting drunk, rather it's a pleasant feeling. The first time i really understood it was: I had been doing regular running + weights for several months. Then for the holidays I was travelling and visiting people and didn't have a chance to exercise. After a few days I just felt this building of energy that had nowhere to go - my body had become used to regular exercise. About 10 days after my last real workout and 4 days since any activity involving physical exertion my plane landed and I checked into a hotel that had a gym. I dumped my bags and went to the gym and got on a treadmill thinking "finally i can burn off some of this energy and anxiety from it".

On that run as I warmed up I felt a giant release. And I felt happy... no giddy. And it was good. A few miles later I felt peace and then ran some more til I felt tired.

It's different than just putting some stuff in your nose and feeling good or popping a pill and seeing bright colors.

That's the most intense I ever felt it, but it was a good experience because it also helped me understand what it was, and I notice it often now - not every time I work out, but often - its there under the tired, post work-out let-down as sort of a "glow".

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Those Civ5/Civ6 custom maps won't beat themselves... IOW, there's plenty other activities that heavily involve logical side which are not paid coding work.

Of course there are plenty of other activities, but I get paid to do this and I like the ability to actually build something. Civ5/Civ6 feels meaningless in comparison. What have I actually effected in the world? Nothing

What you need is semen retention to get back your child hood. Nothing feels meaningless on a long streak.

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> That afternoon when someone is staying with you and they go see another friend who lives in the same city and you go to work or stay home and do laundry or whatever

Great article, but this is a ridiculously hard to parse sentence with the number of `ands` and `ors`.

Re: Hacking the Hedonic Treadmill

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The idea of hacking the hedonic treadmill misses one important point: the mind adapts to these hacks as well. And now you are looking for more hacks.

Maybe to break the treadmill we need to subject ourselves to torture once per month to reset our baseline?

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IME, meaning is far more satiating than happiness simply because it is able to offset more BS than being happy will. More to your question: what happens is your tolerance for meaninglessness decreases, which has good and bad side effects.

> your tolerance for meaninglessness decreases I think part of what keeps me locked on to the hedonistic treadmill is that a lot of other people (including my partner) don't like who I am when I'm trying to stay off it. I tend to get more intense about a lot of things most folks don't care about. It's funny, out of my whole family & friend circle I'm probably doing the most damage to myself via self medication, but w…

Yeah, I feel this, and, it hurts. A lot.

Others in your life may say they support your emphasis on spiritual growth, but what if that entails being passed up for a promotion, and, ergo, a raise? Most families would appreciate an extra $1k a month. Not every situation is either-or, but you quickly get a sense for what pragmatism means to people.

Often, it means comfort.

I hope you find the courage to continue to pursue meaning. It is good, as you say. Me, I made a bit of a deal with myself to make it a very high priority in my life when it is lacking. When necessary, meaning goes into the non-negotiable bucket.

Re: Hacking the Hedonic Treadmill

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post #103

"Commercial breaks––people actually enjoy TV more with commercials." I've never enjoyed being disrupted by commercials nor has anyone else. This is why Tivo became so popular

A lot of shows are/were designed with commercials in mind. For example, the villain will shoot at the protagonist without showing whether or not the shots hit until after the commercial break. That extended suspense has been more or less lost in the age of Netflix (unless shows design for that suspense in another way).

> For example, the villain will shoot at the protagonist without showing whether or not the shots hit until after the commercial break

Or worse, until the next episode which would air the following week...or year if it's a season cliffhanger. I have mixed feelings about binge-streaming, but shoehorned cliffhangers are bad IMO.

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Anna Lembke’s “Dopamine Nation” has a lot of interesting takes on the subject. One takeaway I got is that dopamine seeks a balance. Opting for pleasure seeking often ends up getting experienced as pain. An example of that is drug tolerance. Oddly, the reverse is also true: seeking pain can often lead to an experience of pleasure. The invigorated feeling after a cold shower, or how hard exercise leads to highs. She is…

Are exercise highs real? Do all people experience them or is it a genetic niche? I've tried a bunch of different exercise methods. Gone running, swimming, weightlifting etc and I've never experienced anything close to a high afterward. I'll be tired, sometimes I'll feel proud of breaking a personal record but there's never any physical positive sensation or euphoria to me that would resemble the "runners high" that p…

I don’t get it for running, running makes me feel terrible, and I have a bad knee which probably contributes, it’s too painful after about 10km (6miles).

But after a good challenging bike ride I have 30 minutes to 1 hour of feeling great.

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