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> the internet was invented here In Europe?
They mean the WWW, which is really what the Internet has always been about. And yes, it was invented in Europe.
Internet created 1983. WWW created 1989.
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> Except now, the EU is more or less forcing American companies to sell unaffiliated spin-offs to the EU to continue doing business there. Isn't that what happened with TikTok? Both China and the US have laws that force global subsidiaries of Chinese/American companies to hand over data held overseas.
I would argue China-US relationships are not that of allies or friends. There isn't a war or cold war going on, but I wouldn't pretend that the relations between China and the US are peaceful and represent trustful tranquility. I would argue the relationship between Europe and US are substantially better, although not without frustrations from both sides, some warranted and some not. At the very least, several countr…
Hey America - stop spying on our our citizens or we will stop buying your tech. Seriously. We talk about this cloud stuff like it is rocket science. It is not. It is a box in a basement. We are capable of doing that ourselves. And no. It ain’t cool for NSA to sniff around some German governmental software, even though you are the good guys and on our side.
Isn't it easier for the NSA to spy on foreign companies than US companies? There are restrictions on how they can operate on US soil.
An EU subsidiary of a US company is fully legal fair game for every 3 letter agency.
Hey America - stop spying on our our citizens or we will stop buying your tech. Seriously. We talk about this cloud stuff like it is rocket science. It is not. It is a box in a basement. We are capable of doing that ourselves. And no. It ain’t cool for NSA to sniff around some German governmental software, even though you are the good guys and on our side.
> We are capable of doing that ourselves. Then do it.
I think this kind of affirms the general opinion that Germany and many traditionally powerful European countries is doing poorly when it comes to modern tech. What went wrong with Germany and Europe? They used to be the front runners in tech once upon a time.
We have rights too, you are not more special and deserve more basic human rights because citizenship.
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I'm European and I'll happily admit there is no EU alternative to AWS, GCP, Azure. The breadth of services _on_, and the amount of engineers able to work _with_ these platforms is incredible and can't be beat by the likes of Hetzner and OVH. We are so behind that we won't catch up. The arrogance is warranted in this case. I like privacy, but the business person in me is very frustrated by these GDPR rulings as they m…
I mean I'm really enjoying Scaleway for all of the things I'd use AWS for: EKS, managed DBs, and cloud M1 Macs are all accounted for.
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The procedure and requirements for obtaining a warrant under the CLOUD Act is not sufficient due process according to EU law - which is law which matters when operating a commercial business in the EU.
Sure, and US can pass a law saying that safety regulations of Airbus planes made in France are not sufficient either. Americans just don’t like flying in unsafe planes! If you talk to actual people in Europe, outside of HN, you’ll find that overwhelming majority of people do not give a flying fuck about the “safety of their data” from US government. They just blissfully post shit on Facebook with no care in the world…
If you cannot see the difference between this and the GDPR, I have no idea why we're talking. The GDPR is some pretty reasonable law, for the most part - if we had carve-outs for Americans who don't have to adhere to it, it would be entirely pointless.
The US is very welcome to end this by repealing their spy law.
Hey America - stop spying on our our citizens or we will stop buying your tech. Seriously. We talk about this cloud stuff like it is rocket science. It is not. It is a box in a basement. We are capable of doing that ourselves. And no. It ain’t cool for NSA to sniff around some German governmental software, even though you are the good guys and on our side.
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Those US companies are free to not be on the EU market, just saying
Why should they? Europe signed free trade agreements and promised they would open their markets to the USA if the USA reciprocated. Excluding American companies from doing business seems a pretty big violation of this. I guess EU is free to cancel those free trade agreements, but they aren't free to just ignore them and just make it illegal for American companies to do business in Europe because of privacy rules that…
How does this not compute for Americans, I cannot even comprehend.
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OK but not wanting our personal records to be arbitrarily sized by the US government is very reasonable. Your government made a law that lets it spy on us... that's your problem.
I don't think it's reasonable that I'm paying more than my share of taxes for the defense capabilities that allows Europe free access to a stable world market and roughly rules based international order that underpins the export economy of Germany in particular. If Europe would fix that, I'd feel a lot worse about the spying.