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Re: Asus Zenbook 17 Fold OLED

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Post by luismedel »

croes wrote: post #114
jacquesm wrote: post #110

The responses to this are more interesting than the device itself. It's innovative, it's done by a brand that has a reasonable reputation for reliability and for standing behind their products and it may well fit a niche. Innovation is always going to be risky, and Asus stands to lose some of their credibility if the device does not hold up over time. So I'll be more than happy to let them do their thing. As for sust…

Is it really an innovation? If I look at foldable S smartphones then this is like a bigger version with an external keyboard.

Why not? Was the iPad an innovation or a bigger iPhone/iPod touch?

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Post by jimnotgym »

suction wrote: post #52
tigrezno wrote: post #23

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I suspect that if Apple released this, this site would be cheering for it.

Only because Apple's track record so far is a lot better than Asus' or other OEMs in terms of not adding novelty or gadget-y features to their pro products.

No, but they did take away lots of important features from their pro products purely for novelty. Things like ports, for instance.

Re: Asus Zenbook 17 Fold OLED

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Post by jacquesm »

croes wrote: post #114
jacquesm wrote: post #110

The responses to this are more interesting than the device itself. It's innovative, it's done by a brand that has a reasonable reputation for reliability and for standing behind their products and it may well fit a niche. Innovation is always going to be risky, and Asus stands to lose some of their credibility if the device does not hold up over time. So I'll be more than happy to let them do their thing. As for sust…

Is it really an innovation? If I look at foldable S smartphones then this is like a bigger version with an external keyboard.

Is there a similar device on the market right now?

A 'bigger version' by two orders of magnitude surface wise certainly seems innovative to me, I'm not aware of another company risking their reputation on something like this at present but I'll be happy to be corrected.

There was an intel proof-of-concept but I'm not aware of anything that was actually available to the public.

Keep in mind that what looks trivial to you ('just a bigger version') may require an enormous amount of engineering to make it reliable enough for mass consumption.

Re: Asus Zenbook 17 Fold OLED

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Post by jacquesm »

Ensorceled wrote: post #104
saiya-jin wrote: post #90

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Selective quality. There were most-expensive-on-the-market-yet-worst-quality fraying cables that my 1$ usb cables from aliexpress could run circles around long after those were discarded (or not, my mother-in-law still carries one around, I guess to remind everyone how crappy engineering looks like). Bending phones (was it 6?). Also some nefarious moves like slowing down older phones. Every manufacturer has these blo…

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You may want to read the https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html .

Re: Asus Zenbook 17 Fold OLED

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Post by WithinReason »

eterps wrote: post #5

AFAIK there is absolutely no innovation with software defined keyboards, they statically mimic a physical keyboard. I would expect well defined open APIs so that applications tailor the keyboard for optimal contextualized use for that app. The only thing that came close is Apple's touchbar but even that one is quite static and not very liberating in practice. Of course the downside of adaptive software keyboards is t…

This seems like it would be such a basic idea, e.g. holding down crtl would show you button combinations on each key that use ctrl.

Re: Asus Zenbook 17 Fold OLED

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Post by fstephany »

Ekaros wrote: post #63

Actually seems pretty interesting one. Still, I guess the price is outside reasonable range like other foldable products at this point.

It's listed at 3700€ on Coolblue (online shop in The Netherlands).

https://www.coolblue.nl/en/product/905010/asus-zenbook-17-fo...

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Post by localhost »

darkteflon wrote: post #105
tokamak-teapot wrote: post #71

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Mind sharing which one you have please? I’d like to drop one in my laptop bag sometimes.

Sure, I have an Innocn PU15-PRE. Just to reiterate that a 15.6” 4K is definitely the way to go. I also tried 14” 4K and 1440p panels but - on account of the way scaling and font rendering works in MacOS - they’re a big step down. Even moreso if you’re doing anything graphically intensive - you’ll want to use non-native scaling on a 14” 4K which is expensive for the GPU. The 15.6” panel doesn’t have this problem becau…

How do you mount it to a tripod? Also do you know if you can horizontally flip the image so it could be used with a teleprompter?

Re: Asus Zenbook 17 Fold OLED

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Post by iasay »

ddalex wrote: post #67
iasay wrote: post #45

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That figure doesn't make sense other than from a marketing perspective. It is missing all the important engineering questions... How many did they test? What's the standard deviation? What does the bell curve look like? What are the test conditions? What happens when you put this in the hands of an average user who does not conform to the test conditions?

Please show me this data from any other manufacturer... take Apple, do they put out how many drops they test their latest iPhone, the one that they advertise doesn't need a cover? The standard deviation, Bell curve? Nobody cares about this - what people care about is: What happens when this breaks ? If Asus offers good warranty on it, why does it matter when it breaks??

If it breaks every month and takes them two months to repair it each time then it's a problem.

Re: Asus Zenbook 17 Fold OLED

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Post by iasay »

asdajksah2123 wrote: post #96
iasay wrote: post #32

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The reason that there is no non-Apple alternatives to the MacBook Pro is because everyone is too focused on blue sky innovation rather than actually doing the best job of stuff that already exists. Quality is the feature that apple sell. I don't think anyone else gets near them.

Apple's built up an incredible lead right now (in quality and specs), but as the son of a of a macbook from a few years ago, the idea that Apple sells "quality" is mistaken, with the most obvious example being the butterfly keyboard, which would make your device unusable if you happened to say the wrong combination of words at the wrong time. But generally Apple has a history of laptops that have design defects, whic…

Please note that my point is that they sell better quality laptops than the competitors, not the best quality they could be.

Although I have precisely zero complaints with my 14" MBP.

Re: Asus Zenbook 17 Fold OLED

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Post by Sholmesy »

Review from Dave2D 4 months ago, addresses the crease & hinge on a pre-production unit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFGhvYLbBRE

I think it seems like a cool idea, 17" at 4:3 ratio is alot of screen real estate, at a 12.5" 16:9 footprint.

Lot of negativity in this comment section, personally not something I'm that interested in, but I am interested in people experimenting with the form factor.

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