As long as you people (and I mean that specifically, wealthy white collar professionals who want a crossover are THE #1 target demographic for this thing) they will keep doing it.
Toyota RAV4 Prime hybrid SUV now selling for 48% over MSRP
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Re: Toyota RAV4 Prime hybrid SUV now selling for 48% over MSRP
#122Wild. Reminds me of the lines for 2nd gen Toyota Priuses in the early 2000s, and also the early Highlander hybrids. What's so great about the RAV4? Subaru Outbacks are basically SUV sized these days, with arguably superior AWD to the RAV4. That's what I ended up with when I was buying a few years ago. It's not hybrid, but $30-50k buys a lot of gas, and we don't do many miles. If you did a bunch of miles (commuting?),…
comparing an outback to a rav4 hybrid or plug-in hybrid is not a very direct comparison. although I agree the subaru awd is superior, I am paying a lot more to keep my high mileage forester on the road than i would a Toyota.
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#123Earlier quoted context omitted.
The pricing on the RAV4 is nuts. For that commute, you could sell it and buy a used low-range EV, like a 2018 BMW i3: https://driverbase.com/research/vehicles/bmw/i3/2018 and end up with ~$42K in pocket. (It is particularly inexpensive because they significantly improved the range in 2019. However, the 2018 would easily do your commute.) We ended up buying one in lieu of trading in an ICE pickup truck for a backorder…
I assume that when anything goes wrong with a BMW, and I assume it will relatively quickly, the repair costs will quickly close the gap on any initial savings.
There's a lot less to go wrong in an all-electric vehicle. Not saying you can't have issues with fans or the seat-heaters (ahem), but you're not looking at an engine rebuild or even oil changes down the line
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#124Earlier quoted context omitted.
At Toyota dealers you pay over MSRP, at Tesla they just repeatedly raise the MSRP...
Tesla honors the price you order your Model Y at. Mine took about 3 months to get and the price did go up once during that time. I paid the original price. Fun surprise ordering a Mach-E/F-150 Lightning and the dealer charges the market adjustment on your custom ordered car. No where is that fee disclosed until you go down to the dealership to pick it up.
Eh, that doesn't even seem legal? Unless it's in a contract somewhere in very very small text.
Re: Toyota RAV4 Prime hybrid SUV now selling for 48% over MSRP
#125As a side note, from a European perspective, Japanese cars seem to be so far behind in terms of technology that the only reason to even consider them is their reliability. For the price of Toyota RAV4 one could get either a 7-seater Škoda Kodiaq[1], or a fully electric Škoda Enyaq[2], both of which are more practical and more premium inside. [1] https://www.carwow.co.uk/skoda/kodiaq [2] https://www.carwow.co.uk/skoda…
The simplicity of Japanese cars is or at least was part of their design philosophy: simple and reliable. And I really appreciate that. I know little about Skoda but branding wise I would not put it on par with Toyota.
> I know little about Skoda but branding wise I would not put it on par with Toyota.
In many parts of Europe, Škoda is considered "the European Toyota". Because it's made by Volkswagen Group and uses the engines previously tested by its more premium brands – such as Porsche, Audi, and Volkswagen.
Re: Toyota RAV4 Prime hybrid SUV now selling for 48% over MSRP
#126Yup, I went to buy one last year, I think the advertised price was $40k, but the dealership wanted to charge me a $15k "dealership fee" for the pleasure of doing business with them. I went for a Tesla Model Y instead, and I'm very happy with it.
This price tracker[1] shows that the price of the Model Y has increased about 9-12k depending on trim over the past year. Are you happy because that's less than 15k? [1] https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1F5IQOynIawoXiJPVarLD...
As someone who did the exact same thing last year, we paid $55,290 for our Model Y. Dealers were quoting us 48k for the RAV4 hybrid, with a 12 month wait list.
It was worth it for us to pay 7k for the upgrade to the Tesla, and to get something much faster.
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#127Re: Toyota RAV4 Prime hybrid SUV now selling for 48% over MSRP
#128Not sure about the RAV4, but I strongly doubt people are actually paying some of the markups on the Prius Prime that I've seen.
Here's a real email exchange I had about a Prius Prime LE:
Dealer: We have one in stock!
Me: What's the price on it?
Dealer: The MSRP is 30119 plus 20k, tags, and taxes.
Me: Plus 20k?
Dealer: Yes that is the mark up on our Prius Prime. It can be negotiable, but have to be in person.
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That looks to me like a number pulled out of their ass as an ad-hoc out-of-state spam filter. It worked. But I see no evidence that it has shit to do with the actual price that a human being would pay to buy a new car.
HN is a big place-- anybody pay 15-20K over MSRP for a Prius Prime in the past 6 months? I strongly suspect dealers are having fun touting their spam filter numbers as if that's some kind of real car price...
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#129Earlier quoted context omitted.
Tesla honors the price you order your Model Y at. Mine took about 3 months to get and the price did go up once during that time. I paid the original price. Fun surprise ordering a Mach-E/F-150 Lightning and the dealer charges the market adjustment on your custom ordered car. No where is that fee disclosed until you go down to the dealership to pick it up.
Eh, that doesn't even seem legal? Unless it's in a contract somewhere in very very small text.
You order it from Ford, buy it from the dealer. Ford shows you the MSRP. Dealer gets to charge you whatever they want. It doesn't feel legal. Ford has told dealers they'll be punished if they do it. Dealers are still doing it.
According to the National Automobile Dealers Association, dealers average about 2k in profit on a new car. Many are adding market adjustments of 5-20k. They're multiplying the profit they make each sale. It feels very wrong, but Ford really can't do too much especially if they're all doing it in an area.
https://www.onlineautodealered.com/career-central/how-much-d...
Re: Toyota RAV4 Prime hybrid SUV now selling for 48% over MSRP
#130I bought one last Fall for sticker price and as the commute to my daughters school is 50 miles rt we fill the tank once a month or so. Basically a great gateway drug to fully electric, which is what I want when I can get an F150 which is not taking orders atm.
The pricing on the RAV4 is nuts. For that commute, you could sell it and buy a used low-range EV, like a 2018 BMW i3: https://driverbase.com/research/vehicles/bmw/i3/2018 and end up with ~$42K in pocket. (It is particularly inexpensive because they significantly improved the range in 2019. However, the 2018 would easily do your commute.) We ended up buying one in lieu of trading in an ICE pickup truck for a backorder…
All of this must be very geo-specific. Driverbase seems to geo by IP and prices around here are about 8k over MSRP, if they are even available.