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Re: Andrej Karpathy leaves Tesla

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Post by lazyjones »

TheAlchemist wrote: post #4

Well, Musk said recently that the value of Tesla is 0 without FSD. Does anybody seriously think Karpathy would step down if FSD was really close to be released ?? It really starts to feel like Tesla is a huge fraud which is about to be uncovered.

> Does anybody seriously think Karpathy would step down if FSD was really close to be released ??

Life is not only about work. I stepped down from the company I funded after 14 years, it never stopped growing after that. Some people just get bored after doing one thing for a long time and want to explore other areas, especially if they always had broad interests.

> It really starts to feel like Tesla is a huge fraud which is about to be uncovered.

I seriously doubt that my Model S will somehow stop working so well and turn out to be just a fake car after 5 years.

Re: Andrej Karpathy leaves Tesla

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Post by sgerenser »

TigeriusKirk wrote: post #98
TheAlchemist wrote: post #4

Well, Musk said recently that the value of Tesla is 0 without FSD. Does anybody seriously think Karpathy would step down if FSD was really close to be released ?? It really starts to feel like Tesla is a huge fraud which is about to be uncovered.

Devil's Advocate- Maybe Karpathy thinks all the fun parts of FSD are done and it's just drudge work from this point.

He's done the first 90%, the last 90% is now all just drudgery.

Re: Andrej Karpathy leaves Tesla

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Post by lazyjones »

carbadtraingood wrote: post #55
jackmott42 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

FSD may be a huge fraud but the whole company is not. The cars are real!

The cars are real but they are... Mediocre. The first year of ownership is an amazing honeymoon period, assuming you got one with decent build quality. But the parts are cheap, and they break quickly. I've had one for 5+ years and it's gradually become something I prefer driving less and less.

I've had nothing break after 5 years so far. Best car I've ever had (previously: VW Passat, BMW 525iX, BMW 530xd).

Re: Andrej Karpathy leaves Tesla

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Post by turzmo »

impulser_ wrote: post #8
codechicago277 wrote: post #3

Tesla has bet the company on robotaxis, but their vision only tech stack doesn’t seem capable of solving it, which is a problem because Tesla has repeatedly promised FSD is right around the corner, or less than a year away. It’s hard to believe Karpathy would step down if he felt they were close to solving the problem anytime soon. This announcement comes after a 4 month sabbatical where Karpathy said he wanted to ta…

Yeah, but Google's vision + lidar tech also doesn't seem any better at solving it either. They have been working on this problem the longest and they aren't even confident enough to produce a product with it. Google is probably the leader in AI and AI research. They are also the leader in data and mapping. They have billions of cash to play with. Yet it seem like they haven't gotten any closer at solving this problem…

We often can figure out how to take a product that works 90% and bring it to 99%, and then to 99.9%. The engineering challenges involved in each nine are often vastly more than the percentages indicate, but they're conceivable. With AI we have absolutely no idea how much effort might be required to get to that next level of reliability. We hope that bigger models, or better AI technology might get us there, but there's also a chance that they won't.

Re: Andrej Karpathy leaves Tesla

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Post by lazyjones »

bsaul wrote: post #17

i wonder if tesla can afford to abandon autopilot. the strategy of always selling a futuristic vision of driving has always been core to the brand. if they happen to become just another boring electric car company, i'm not sure they can compete in the long run.

Why should it? It's geting really good.

https://www.youtube.com/c/WholeMarsCatalog/videos

Re: Andrej Karpathy leaves Tesla

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Post by Infinitesimus »

moomoo11 wrote: post #82
dreamcompiler wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If Musk actually said this he's an even bigger idiot than I gave him credit for. He makes the best cars in the world (obviously IMHO) and that's worth a lot more than 0. I couldn't give less of a damn if they can't drive themselves.

I ended up selling mine because the build quality started getting on my nerves. Misaligned panels that are "within spec" or interior rattles that make the ride completely unpleasant (at only 10k miles). The tech is all right, and I got to try auto pilot at a discount. Unfortunately the phantom braking made AP completely useless with passengers who would freak out and complain. However, when it worked it was quite nic…

Now I'm curious, what did you replace it with and which model did you have?

Re: Andrej Karpathy leaves Tesla

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Post by snek_case »

bhauer wrote: post #93
simonswords82 wrote: post #71

Can anybody give insights in to how key this guy is to Tesla. Is it a big deal? What’s his USP?

He was the director of AI at the company, an important position. Notably, however, the AI director position is distinct from the director of the Autopilot team. That position is held by Ashok Elluswamy.

Oh. Well that puts a different spin on things then. Karpathy said he wanted to sharpen his technical skills. He might have left in part because he felt he was too far from the action, since he was at least 2, if not 3 levels removed from the actual research and implementation work.

Re: Andrej Karpathy leaves Tesla

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Post by aeturnum »

rsynnott wrote: post #45
impulser_ wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, but Google's vision + lidar tech also doesn't seem any better at solving it either. They have been working on this problem the longest and they aren't even confident enough to produce a product with it. Google is probably the leader in AI and AI research. They are also the leader in data and mapping. They have billions of cash to play with. Yet it seem like they haven't gotten any closer at solving this problem…

> Any reason why everyone seems to be stuck on this problem? Because it's really, really difficult. A lot of AI-ish stuff pretty rapidly gets to the point where it _looks_ quite impressive, but struggles to make the jump to actual feasibility. Like, there were convincing demos of voice recognition in the mid-90s. You could buy software to transcribe voice on your home computer, and people did. And, now, well, it's be…

I also imagine it is a space where...you very quickly get to a product that seems magical...but you can see in the data the places where your magical product will regularly be unable to make clear decisions. Unlike a lot of traditional product development, that knowledge makes it very hard for you to release, because the liability and ethical problems are very real.

It's somewhat unfair because we used to simply collect less comprehensive data on performance and therefore know less about our corner cases - but you don't get to live in the future without dealing with the problems of the future.

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