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Atlassian is 20 years old and unprofitable

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Re: Atlassian is 20 years old and unprofitable

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Post by KronisLV »

sien wrote: post #28

So with Slack there is Mattermost and Zulip. What are the equivalents for Jira ? Is there an openish source piece of similar software ? Jira cops a lot of hate on HN, but really to paraphrase Churchill on Democracy - "Jira is the worst issue tracking software, except for all the others". The comparison on Wikipedia has so many of them : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_issue-tracking_s... Are any of them a…

> What are the equivalents for Jira?

Something that gets "close enough", like Mattermost/Rocket.Chat can get to Slack? Probably nothing, given how huge the surface attempt for Jira is.

But for project management and issue tracking in general, there are quite a few alternatives:

  - OpenProject: https://www.openproject.org/ mentioning this first, because it's what I use for my personal needs and feels pretty decent (issue tracking, time tracking, references, comments, files, Wiki, cost reports and so on), though is definitely not nearly as popular
  - Redmine: https://www.redmine.org/ is probably also a really good alternative to mention, while the original UI is dated a while ago there was a project to create something more modern and most of the times when someone is using an alternative to Jira, I've seen it be Redmine in particular
  - Odoo: https://www.odoo.com/ is a more modular system that I haven't really used much personally, but have heard about being talked at the occasional conference in my country, the idea seems nice at least
Also, there are probably a few more lightweight and Trello-like systems for Kanban boards:

  - Nextcloud: also has some apps, like https://apps.nextcloud.com/apps/tasks and https://apps.nextcloud.com/apps/deck that, while basic, can be really easy to get started with if you already have Nextcloud
  - Kanboard: https://kanboard.org/ is perhaps the best Kanban board that I have personally used, just because of how snappy and lightweight it is (at the expense of the features it has, admittedly)
I've also heard of projects like Taiga and Wekan, though can't comment on those due to limited familiarity.

Oh, I also probably should mention GitLab, which has lots of project management features built right into it nowadays, as well as stuff as release management and whatnot: https://about.gitlab.com/features/?stage=plan

Re: Atlassian is 20 years old and unprofitable

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Post by jokethrowaway »

ramraj07 wrote: post #71
mr90210 wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a programmer, I actually like Jira. It works.

Yeah. I mean it has enough management options for projects and I really don’t have any complaints. Not sure what everyone’s hating about.

Mainly it's slow and the UX makes everything painful.

Re: Atlassian is 20 years old and unprofitable

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Post by jokethrowaway »

tluyben2 wrote: post #99

We have tried many things and jira is just the most future proof. The others all fall short of with this ‘do one thing and do it well’; that is great but life is dynamic so that one thing doesn’t fit growing companies or small companies (depending on what you use). Like someone said before, you can run small teams with basecamp, but when you go into the 1000s of devs and other skills that all need to be managed on di…

Does your company have 1000s devs?

Aren't you "prematurely optimising"?

One thing done well is exactly what I want of the software I buy.

Re: Atlassian is 20 years old and unprofitable

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Post by slyall »

gaff33 wrote: post #12

Does anyone actually like using JIRA? Or Confluence? Or any of the Atlassian products?

I like Confluence. It does the job and is simple to use. I use it at home for general household stuff and projects.

At work we are using a combination of notion and gitlab wiki and are probably going to move to confluence. Gitlab wiki is especially hard to use and thus stuff is under-documented. eg I'm a little project right now, we could use about 20 pages to document bits of it, this is such a pain in gitlab wiki.

I use Jira, it is okay. I think a lot of people here hate it because they associate it with Enterprise paperwork and rules.

Re: Atlassian is 20 years old and unprofitable

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Post by jasonblais »

KronisLV wrote: post #121
sien wrote: post #28

So with Slack there is Mattermost and Zulip. What are the equivalents for Jira ? Is there an openish source piece of similar software ? Jira cops a lot of hate on HN, but really to paraphrase Churchill on Democracy - "Jira is the worst issue tracking software, except for all the others". The comparison on Wikipedia has so many of them : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_issue-tracking_s... Are any of them a…

> What are the equivalents for Jira? Something that gets "close enough", like Mattermost/Rocket.Chat can get to Slack? Probably nothing, given how huge the surface attempt for Jira is. But for project management and issue tracking in general, there are quite a few alternatives: - OpenProject: https://www.openproject.org/ mentioning this first, because it's what I use for my personal needs and feels pretty decent (iss…

For Kanban board-like tools, there is also Focalboard [1], from the makers of Mattermost.

[1] https://www.focalboard.com/

Re: Atlassian is 20 years old and unprofitable

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Post by Andrew_nenakhov »

KronisLV wrote: post #121
sien wrote: post #28

So with Slack there is Mattermost and Zulip. What are the equivalents for Jira ? Is there an openish source piece of similar software ? Jira cops a lot of hate on HN, but really to paraphrase Churchill on Democracy - "Jira is the worst issue tracking software, except for all the others". The comparison on Wikipedia has so many of them : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_issue-tracking_s... Are any of them a…

> What are the equivalents for Jira? Something that gets "close enough", like Mattermost/Rocket.Chat can get to Slack? Probably nothing, given how huge the surface attempt for Jira is. But for project management and issue tracking in general, there are quite a few alternatives: - OpenProject: https://www.openproject.org/ mentioning this first, because it's what I use for my personal needs and feels pretty decent (iss…

We use Redmine since 2007, and I'm absolutely happy with it. I don't understand all this 'jira is a lock in' vibe.

Re: Atlassian is 20 years old and unprofitable

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Post by yrgulation »

Am i the only one who finds trello more than enough? Agile is meant to be lean, but instead its become a blob full of nonsense in part thanks to tools such as atlassian’s jira. With basic tools like trello you define a slim scrumban workflow and focus on actual work. There are indeed use cases for stuff like jira but it feels like 99% of the time jira is not necessary.

Re: Atlassian is 20 years old and unprofitable

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Post by goodpoint »

threeseed wrote: post #22
jakub_g wrote: post #6

> While it is still used by many tech businesses (including the author’s), it has no real network effect — that is, users can switch to a competitor product like Asana, Basecamp or Monday.com with minimal cost (other than the initial hassle of switching to a new system). Lol. At some companies, Jira workflows literally run the whole company. At my prev job, prod deployments were tightly linked to Jira.

The thought of running a 10,000+ development team using Basecamp is hilarious in its insanity. Because that is where Jira primarily plays. In enterprise companies where it's rolled out across the organisation with tentacles firmly embedded into almost every process and system. And whilst people continue to criticise Jira it continues to grow because in reality it competes with products like Rally not Asana. And there…

The thought of running a 10,000+ development team using Jira is horrific.

Re: Atlassian is 20 years old and unprofitable

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Post by LeonB »

dvh wrote: post #26
throwaway4good wrote: post #7

I didn't realize that they were unprofitable; not good. I don't think they should be valued as a pre-profit/pre-revenue growth stock - as the article says - the product doesn't really have network effects or strong lock-in.

Isn't "unprofitable" just a newspeak for "managed to carefully adjust financials to not pay any taxes"

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