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What the Hell Was the Microsoft Network? (2018)

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Re: What the Hell Was the Microsoft Network? (2018)

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OneDrive can work offline if you set it to actually sync all of your files.

“offline” as in - on a computer that has no internet conmection whatsoever and syncing with floppy drives etc

Precisely. Also, no internal network. Employees shared data by passing floppies back and forth.

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lights a candle for eWorld

Apple didn't own the eWorld infrastructure, and at the time they couldn't afford the bill they were getting from GE Information Systems.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/EWorld

In reading that Wikipedia article, I was reminded that another online service used by Apple morphed into AOL. I had an AppleLink dial up account as the tech support lead for all things Mac at work. It wasn't marketed as a consumer product.

Another native-like front end for dialup service at the time was "First Class", which could be self-hosted by any provider. The Berkeley Mac User Group BMUG had a great FirstClass BBS.

Re: What the Hell Was the Microsoft Network? (2018)

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lights a candle for eWorld

Apple didn't own the eWorld infrastructure, and at the time they couldn't afford the bill they were getting from GE Information Systems. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/EWorld In reading that Wikipedia article, I was reminded that another online service used by Apple morphed into AOL. I had an AppleLink dial up account as the tech support lead for all things Mac at work. It wasn't marketed as a consumer product. Anot…

I remember rather liking FirstClass.

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Do you know better than Microsoft itself? Is it not true that Microsoft is tracking your movement across the OS? Is it not true that Microsoft tracks what apps you are running? Is it not true that Microsoft tracks every movement your MS account does? They admit they're doing it - what's your answer to that?

What you’re talking about isn’t the foundational security model of the operating system, but telemetry and tracking systems built into it. I’m very much opposed to those too, but comparing them to the security model is apples vs. oranges. All I’ve seen so far, is that telemetry doesn’t open up any glaring holes in the security model of the operating system, but I’d be interested if you have any proof of that.

The telemetry is built right into the security model of the OS - thus the security model is broken. OS that betrays me by telling someone what I'm running is insecure.

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On macOS it asks you to set up once during the first startup, and then doesn’t nag you all the time if you don’t want to. I set up Macs for people without an iCloud and it was not an issue - they didn’t miss it, aside from notes not syncing between devices and other features that need iCloud. On Windows it will keep trying you to sign up all the time. I have just one machine with Windows, I don’t need an MS account,…

My Mac settings app has a permenent "1 notification" red dot, because I haven't logged my Apple ID in, and every so often (about once a month), a notification pops up to remind me to log my Apple ID in. I'd love to learn how to get rid of those.

Ah, right, I forgot about these.

Question - is it because you didn’t add any apple ID, or that you added it but didn’t log in?

I remember MacOS prodding me the same way even with non-apple accounts when I added them but had expired passwords.

If it’s that then you can go to the „accounts” preference and remove all the accounts. Perhaps it will help.

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No it's not, no one not running a shared cloud service cares about such things. Why doesn't Microsoft explain exactly why they require new CPUs, what in TPM 2.0 they're using that's not in 1.2, etc.

Except that most machines have arbitrary remote code execution via JavaScript in browser. I don't know how easily that can be exploited, but I wouldn't be surprised if ignoring the potential of this happening would bite us in the backside at some point.

If that was why, they should say that, they don't

Re: What the Hell Was the Microsoft Network? (2018)

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Having worked at MSN during this time, I can tell you, the jealousy of AOL and the client-based walled garden they built was almost physically palpable. AOL was the onramp to the internet for so many folks, but many felt they didn't need to leave the garden. MSN was kind of a halfway spot: a bit more open, but also more integrated into Windows (standard embrace and extend approach). Yahoo! was the other big worry: al…

One nitpick: Microsoft Money was around since the early '90s, long before MSN showed up. I also miss it very much.

Right, Money was around for a while, but it had no investor portfolio tooling for a while. They tried a couple of things, but eventually just used the ActiveX object to give them "insta-portfolio!".

Money was pretty impressive: easier to use than Quicken, but powerful in a lot of places that Quicken just struggled. Quicken couldn't figure out if it was an accounting package or a personal finance tool, while Money (and a few others) drilled down on real money solutions. My wife was a holdout for a long time as well, asking me to find ways to keep it running on each new system I installed in the house.

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