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there's an argument monasteries gave birth to the modern European scientific tradition too
Or Ancient Greece (and later Rome), some 500 years before the monasteries.
And we know this because monasteries kept a large army of monks guarding the knowledge so that it would one day serve society.
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I can't help but notice the contrast with the popular, Contributor Covenant Code of Conduct, which makes it abundantly clear its aim to enforce a set of beliefs on its contributors, with no boundaries between professional and personal life.
> a set of beliefs The elephant in the room in many current attempts to encourage "diversity" is that a genuinely diverse range of opinions and/or beliefs ends up being not welcome at all.
> The paradox of tolerance states that if a society is tolerant without limit, its ability to be tolerant is eventually seized or destroyed by the intolerant. Karl Popper described it as the seemingly self-contradictory idea that in order to maintain a tolerant society, the society must retain the right to be intolerant of intolerance.
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I remember the code of conduct push overnight on all open source projects. It was such a bizarre time. What's worse is that pretty much everyone folded.
What would you consider the best response to the desire for clear boundaries and expectations from project communities?
The code of conduct push was a transparent game of social aggression — an attempt to shift open source power dynamics in favor of:
(1) Allowing social activists, who could not acquire institutional power on the basis of their own technical merit, to co-opt open source institutions for their own aims and to extract resources. See also the contributor covenant, DEI consultants, et al.
(2) Securing the necessary power structures to enforce the beliefs of their particular vein of progressive political activism.
In my experience being very involved with a few large projects that were pressured into adopting a code of conduct, the historically most toxic and socially aggressive personalities in the project became the biggest proponents of adopting a code of conduct, engaging in bad faith and with extreme social aggression to tear down any detractors, hiding behind their newfound righteousness as a defense.
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Yeah, my commentary on this nonsense is at https://gitlab.com/kragen/bubbleos/blob/master/CODE_OF_CONDU... . > Could J. K. Rowling require Harry Potter readers to follow a code of conduct? Could Werner Heisenberg demand that you subscribe to a code of conduct if you want to do quantum physics? ... > Codes of conduct typically make laudable promises such as “We pledge to respect all people,” in an attempt to convince…
> Could J. K. Rowling require Harry Potter readers to follow a code of conduct? Nobody attempts to apply codes of conduct to users of software - that's the domain of the license agreement. They only apply to communities. Virtually every online community around harry potter has some set of rules for participating in that community. e.g. https://stories.jkrowling.com/terms-of-use/ > Could Werner Heisenberg demand that…
Do you learn much with this approach?
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I think you entirely managed to miss the point there. People don't tell you they lost their faith. They just stop following their code of ethics that was bound to it. I trust a faceless corporation over this attitude.
You trust a faceless corporation more than someone who demonstrates the ability to learn, grow and adapt their thinking over time? You and I see this differently.
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>When I see a code of ethics bound to faith, I have to wonder what happens if the faith disappears. Let's do the math: Christianity has been around for around two orders of magnitude longer than any of the compilers or dev tools you're using on your project. There are probably three orders of magnitude more people who use Christianity than are using any of the languages used in your project. There are probably six or…
I think you entirely managed to miss the point there. People don't tell you they lost their faith. They just stop following their code of ethics that was bound to it. I trust a faceless corporation over this attitude.
Not sure if this is true. Most Western values came from Christianity, even though the society today is not as religious as it was in the past.
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You trust a faceless corporation more than someone who demonstrates the ability to learn, grow and adapt their thinking over time? You and I see this differently.
The corporation is more likely to be accountable from experience.
Before I got to talk with Richard, I found many things online about his Christian values and public domain license and how odd it was. And I thought this was THE fascinating thing about Richard that led to the database and other things. But then I talked to him. He's a great engineer but a regular guy running a business around a thing he built. He gets to be a bit whimsical because he can. He can use his own source c…