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Harming the ‘outgroup’ linked to elevated activity in the brain reward circuitry

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Re: Harming the ‘outgroup’ linked to elevated activity in the brain reward circuitry

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Post by yieldcrv »

katzgrau wrote: post #113
yieldcrv wrote: post #47

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> But there's something to be said for a set of values that emphasizes love, empathy, and reciprocity, regardless of the religion. Such as how often the religious one fails to do that? My impression is that there is a recurring theme that it is violent towards outgroups and even more violent towards ingroups that don’t conform exactly. Leaving only compassion towards an ever splintering sect for the brief time everyo…

> In any case, what do you see? I see that failing to practice what is preached does not invalidate the message. Humans make lots of mistakes and the consequences of that are reflected in all of our institutions. Thankfully, those institutions eventually die away and new, hopefully improved ones grow in their place until the cycle repeats. Happens on all scales.

I see preachers and other forms of religious leaders with extremely insensitive and exclusionary messages.

I also find the source material to harbor that alongside the pleasant things.

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Post by sitkack »

DiggyJohnson wrote: post #107
sitkack wrote: post #72

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They themselves might have cared, but damn if I wear a purple shirt in Seattle folks are like Go Huskies to me, to the point where I think twice about putting it on or wearing it outside the house. I could give a damn about sports or nationalism, but lots of other idiots do.

> idiots Downvoted and reported, frankly. How can you do callously say something about this? You do realize sports fans are (for the most part) self aware of the inconsequence of a sports rivalry in the real world, right?

I apologize for triggering your sensitivities. But I implore you to look critically at the role that sports fans and fanaticism plays in our culture.

https://www.goodtherapy.org/blog/sports-fan-violence-factors...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_violent_spectator_inci...

http://encyclopedia.uia.org/en/problem/violent-sports-fans

Re: Harming the ‘outgroup’ linked to elevated activity in the brain reward circuitry

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Post by int_19h »

feet wrote: post #119
int_19h wrote: post #111

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> but whatever we do will take some sort of regulation Not necessarily. For example, government reducing the scope of property right protection is less regulation, not more.

Okay how do they do that without regulation How does a government do anything without regulation? Is regulation not what government literally does?

Government protecting property is regulation: it's literally saying "if you touch X, which we consider to be owned by Y, we'll hurt you". It's that regulation that allows people and corporations to accumulate property (and, in particular, capital) indefinitely, knowing that however much they have, the government will intervene on their behalf.

Now imagine the government saying something like "we don't consider X owned by Y; Y already has too much". This isn't regulation per se - nothing is regulated, and there's less enforcement, not more. The government isn't going around taking things away; it's just refusing to recognize X's claim and enforce it.

Re: Harming the ‘outgroup’ linked to elevated activity in the brain reward circuitry

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Post by EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK »

sitkack wrote: post #120
bseidensticker wrote: post #78

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I think it's a little unfair to call people idiots for something that's extremely hardwired into their brains.

That is why we go to great lengths to civilize ourselves. Sports fanaticism is a fetal nationalism. Maybe we should challenge our hardwired programming, it does seem to offer a lot of control in our actions. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_hooliganism_in_the_Un...

Or maybe sport is a way to vent the natural hate off in a harmless way.

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Post by briantakita »

ChubbyGlasses wrote: post #15
briantakita wrote: post #4

Each individual person is liable to become a "them" once one asserts one's individuality from the group identity. Group coalitions that do not respect individuality often fall prey to base emotions as they collectively punish individual identities. Individual creators are largely responsible for the actual work, new ideas, innovations, things... The feedback loop described in the OP creates groupthink, politically co…

This is a remarkably extreme take for what was actually presented in the article.

Sure, if you take a positivist view where it does not exist unless it's published in a Science Journal...

Re: Harming the ‘outgroup’ linked to elevated activity in the brain reward circuitry

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Post by feet »

int_19h wrote: post #123
feet wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Okay how do they do that without regulation How does a government do anything without regulation? Is regulation not what government literally does?

Government protecting property is regulation: it's literally saying "if you touch X, which we consider to be owned by Y, we'll hurt you". It's that regulation that allows people and corporations to accumulate property (and, in particular, capital) indefinitely, knowing that however much they have, the government will intervene on their behalf. Now imagine the government saying something like "we don't consider X owne…

If people don't have the protection then it doesn't matter what the government does or doesn't do because those who do have power will do the same thing they always have. Shot on those who don't, that is my point

Re: Harming the ‘outgroup’ linked to elevated activity in the brain reward circuitry

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Post by briantakita »

briantakita wrote: post #126
ChubbyGlasses wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a remarkably extreme take for what was actually presented in the article.

Sure, if you take a positivist view where it does not exist unless it's published in a Science Journal...

Note that the scientific materialist positivist view is effectively controlled by groups of scientists & journals which are funded by institutions...large pools of capital...controlled by socially powerful groups
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