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Internet Explorer 11 has retired and is officially out of support

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Re: Internet Explorer 11 has retired and is officially out of support

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Post by amichal »

space_ghost wrote: post #29
wolframhempel wrote: post #10

I started my career 2008 building real estate and stock news websites. Back then, sooooo much of my days were spent making things "IE compatible" using techniques like: - creating sprite sheets of transparent png corners and sides that one could arrange in a table around an element to create drop-shadows and rounded corners - putting single pixel, transparent gifs at the end of floated containers because clearfix use…

I strongly remember using Firebug in Firefox (mind-blowing tools, for the time) in ~2008 and having to debug issues in IE, which had the equivalent of a Check Engine Light for debugging.

Firebug and firebug lite were amazing but to keep the record clear it was possible to debug client-side JavaScript (and other script types) using Visual Studio since very early on in IE. It was granted a major pain to setup properly for breakpoints and code highlighting but it was a full fledged debugger and IDE. I remember doing it often. I don’t remember if there was a debugger for IE for mac and early Safari. For me those where where “alert” and “document.write” were my only options.

Re: Internet Explorer 11 has retired and is officially out of support

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Post by mrtksn »

traveler01 wrote: post #109
mrtksn wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not obvious to me, Google has everything to gain by going evil. Google has power to choose how privacy will be managed, they can choose to kill Facebook(not that I'm fan of FB, but still). Apple makes a lot of money but Apple is an underdog with it's tiny market share. Apple can and does evil stuff but it's nothing compared to the potential of Google.

What you fear from Google it's what Apple's already doing. With their new iOS 15 privacy settings they are hurting Facebook (and other companies that rely on your data pretty bad). I mean, I don't feel sorry for Facebook or whatever company profits from your private data, but you can see how damage Apple can already do.

What's your argument? Have the Apple's AppStore model on the Web and governed by Google.

No thanks. Apple might be in their rights to control their own platform but I like my Web free, not wholly owned by Google or anyone else.

Re: Internet Explorer 11 has retired and is officially out of support

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Post by layer8 »

wonderbore wrote: post #119
layer8 wrote: post #49

I’ve still been using IE11 up to now by default (for the websites it still renders adequately, with Firefox as a fallback — there’s a “Open current page in Firefox” add-in), for the following reasons: - crisper and higher-contrast font rendering on low-DPI monitors - Ctrl+N/Ctrl+K clone the current tab into a new window/tab including its history, letting you “fork” the tab and effectively navigate a history tree. Edi…

You are now banned from Hacker News.

Currently karma is still positive. :D

Re: Internet Explorer 11 has retired and is officially out of support

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Post by oaiey »

wonderbore wrote: post #110

Is this Groundhog Day? How many more times will IE be declared dead? Official support is irrelevant if the browser is still stubbornly used by users. Most websites have moved on more than 5 years ago. This news is meaningless. This confirms it: > For supported operating systems, Internet Explorer 11 will continue receiving security updates and technical support for the lifecycle of the Windows version on which it is…

In conservative IT businesses like hospitals this date is a deal breaker: No more security updates. In consequence IT will switch it off immediately. Guess why edge has an IE Mode.

Re: Internet Explorer 11 has retired and is officially out of support

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Post by aquova »

Slightly tangential, but does this mean that Wine prefixes will no longer need to include Internet Explorer? If you ever go digging through a Wine prefix's Program Files, there are a handful of default Windows applications, including IE and Windows Media Player. I've never been really sure why my Steam library is filled with a dozen copies of IE, but I'm curious if they will still be added.

Re: Internet Explorer 11 has retired and is officially out of support

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Post by snarkyturtle »

wonderbore wrote: post #110

Is this Groundhog Day? How many more times will IE be declared dead? Official support is irrelevant if the browser is still stubbornly used by users. Most websites have moved on more than 5 years ago. This news is meaningless. This confirms it: > For supported operating systems, Internet Explorer 11 will continue receiving security updates and technical support for the lifecycle of the Windows version on which it is…

There are two things that differentiate this from other announcements: They're disabling certain versions of IE and redirecting users to Edge [1] and the global usage of IE is far, far, lower than it was even a couple of years ago.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/jun/15/microsoft...

Re: Internet Explorer 11 has retired and is officially out of support

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Post by jrochkind1 »

MOSTLY.

> Windows releases where Internet Explorer will still be available after June 15, 2022, include Windows 7 ESU, Windows 8.1, and all versions of Windows 10 LTSC client, IoT, and Server.

> "The Internet Explorer (IE) 11 desktop application will end support for Windows 10 semi-annual channel starting June 15, 2022," Microsoft says on the IE11 lifecycle page.

> As Microsoft further explains, "for supported operating systems, Internet Explorer 11 will continue receiving security updates and technical support for the lifecycle of the Windows version on which it is installed."

https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/internet-exp...

I gotta say... MS is serious about long-term support commitments and backwards compat!

Re: Internet Explorer 11 has retired and is officially out of support

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Post by Mixtape »

kriro wrote: post #103
some-guy wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The large enterprise outfit I work for has 8% IE11 usage still, almost all of which is in Korea. Our customers there go out of their way to not use Edge on their machines.

The question is why? I want to put on my tin foil hat and speculate about Korean knowledge of Edge 0-days (maybe North Korea is known to hoard those for some reason) but then again if you have edge 0-days it's probably trivial to get IE11 ones.

The answer is that a lot of companies and services in Korea require ActiveX, thereby making IE the de facto option for a majority of their users.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_compatibility_issues_in_...

Re: Internet Explorer 11 has retired and is officially out of support

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Post by user_7832 »

layer8 wrote: post #49

I’ve still been using IE11 up to now by default (for the websites it still renders adequately, with Firefox as a fallback — there’s a “Open current page in Firefox” add-in), for the following reasons: - crisper and higher-contrast font rendering on low-DPI monitors - Ctrl+N/Ctrl+K clone the current tab into a new window/tab including its history, letting you “fork” the tab and effectively navigate a history tree. Edi…

On a similar note IE and legacy Edge (non-chromium) had/still have unparalleled snappy scrolling (on touchpads). I really wish I had never used those browsers because nothing today compares to it. UWP apps have decent scrolling, but these old browsers were something else (apparently they took every touchpad movement for scrolling or something, I'm not sure what that means. If anyone from MS would like to chime in I'd be grateful!)

Re: Internet Explorer 11 has retired and is officially out of support

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Post by netr0ute »

aquova wrote: post #125

Slightly tangential, but does this mean that Wine prefixes will no longer need to include Internet Explorer? If you ever go digging through a Wine prefix's Program Files, there are a handful of default Windows applications, including IE and Windows Media Player. I've never been really sure why my Steam library is filled with a dozen copies of IE, but I'm curious if they will still be added.

Ironically, Wine has better support for older programs than Windows itself. Therefore, why would they remove backwards compat and get rid of a major selling point?
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