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Tesla investigation deepens after more than a dozen US ‘Autopilot’ crashes

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Re: Tesla investigation deepens after more than a dozen US ‘Autopilot’ crashes

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They are very similar in my view: they automate part of driving to reduce load on the driver. Traditional cruise control just maintains velocity. My Subaru's adaptive cruise control maintains velocity and controls distance relative to the car ahead. Tesla also keeps your car centered in lane, but is otherwise just adaptive cruise control. There's some more features in the "self-driving" cars, like auto-parking and ov…

Yes so technically, and as marketed, they are not the same. A dumb setting that fixes velocity is not the same, in any way, as a sophisticated self-driving mechanism that aims to recognize the world around it and adjust multiple parameters dynamically. More surface area for errors, and a misguided sense in the driver that their car is smart and can manage this process itself without the same attention as a fixed-spee…

> A dumb setting that fixes velocity is not the same, in any way, as a sophisticated self-driving mechanism that aims to recognize the world around it and adjust multiple parameters dynamically.

Except plenty of modern cars don't just have fixed velocity cruise control. They have adaptive cruise control that will speed up or slow down to match the velocity of the car ahead of you. They also have lane centering that will keep your car in its lane. That sounds an awful lot like Teslas.

Re: Tesla investigation deepens after more than a dozen US ‘Autopilot’ crashes

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Lots of people also buy sport motorcycles, thinking that because it has traction control and ABS means its safe, but then still end up crashing them and getting seriously hurt or dying. Should there be in investigations for motorcycle companies making unsafe bikes? Or is it more the case of certain people in general being predisposed to taking more risks and not realizing the consequences?

That’s a bad faith analogy.

Not really. Tesla markets their features a certain way with all the warnings present, and motorcycle manufacturers also market their features a certain way, and ironically enough, there isn't giant warning labels plasted all over the bike and/or dash about how dangerous motorcycles are.

Why? Because most anyone already understands that motorcycles are dangerous, and those that choose to ignore risks get fucked. Why should Tesla be any different?

Re: Tesla investigation deepens after more than a dozen US ‘Autopilot’ crashes

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Is this actually a problem with tesla marketing? Or is it a problem with people being dumb? An aircraft autopilot will happily fly you straight into a mountain. It just holds altitude and bearing. Everyone I know with a Tesla exclusively uses autopilot on the highway in between exits. I'm pretty baffled as to how some people think it's fully autonomous driving, and I'm dubious as to how culpable Tesla is for that ign…

I knew it wouldn't take long for the "well AKCHTUALLY autopilot in planes just holds bearing therefore Tesla is BLAMELESS" crowd to appear. Popular understanding of the word aside, Tesla often throws around phrases like "full self driving" in the same sentence as "autopilot".

Autopilot is a distinct feature from full self driving. And TFA explicitly says it's investigating collisions due to autopilot.

Re: Tesla investigation deepens after more than a dozen US ‘Autopilot’ crashes

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That’s a bad faith analogy.

Not really. Tesla markets their features a certain way with all the warnings present, and motorcycle manufacturers also market their features a certain way, and ironically enough, there isn't giant warning labels plasted all over the bike and/or dash about how dangerous motorcycles are. Why? Because most anyone already understands that motorcycles are dangerous, and those that choose to ignore risks get fucked. Why s…

Because people don't understand the risks with their tesla...
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