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Kagi search and Orion browser enter public beta

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Re: Kagi search and Orion browser enter public beta

#121

Founder here, it was quite a journey very excited to be launching beta today with payments. The idea of paying for web search was unimaginable three years ago when we started this. AMA!

I didn't see it in the FAQ - will Orion be available for other platforms besides Mac, or why only Mac?

Re: Kagi search and Orion browser enter public beta

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Kagi's quite good for general purpose searches, but there's a number of specific queries where it falls down: timezones ("9AM SF in Tokyo") and currency conversions ("100000 JPY in USD") are two big ones for me. It would be great if Kagi could open source the engine that powers these queries, so people could contribute their own features.

We plan to do exactly that. Our constraint is not the lack of vision but the lack of resources. Opening widgets API to users would be a great thing to scale this effort (provided there are enough users to build them).

My only question — do you censor based on politics or political correctness?

Re: Kagi search and Orion browser enter public beta

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post #12

Awesome, I've been using kagi for a couple months now, and it's been awesome! I love thee ability to open internet archive quickly or bump the ranking of certain sites. I am still a little confused about the pricing situation though. As I understand you guys plan to offer "free with limited usage" and a paid 10$/month unlimited use plan. But I can't seem to find any information on what the "limits" are? I do not have…

Yea. This is why we made our private search completely open on you.com and track absolutely nothing in that mode, not even bugs/warnings/etc.

Re: Kagi search and Orion browser enter public beta

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I really like the browser, and Kagi as well is giving much better results than Google.

Regarding Orion, is there any built in way to migrate user data (bookmarks/favorites/reading list) automatically from Safari/Firefox/Chrome?

Also, scrolling with a mouse on Mac is discrete/jittery rather than interpolated (this seems to be a problem with Safari as well however). Firefox's scrolling is much nicer by comparison with my Logitech mouse.

I did change some mouse settings so maybe its on my end

Re: Kagi search and Orion browser enter public beta

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> We care deeply about privacy. We will be good stewards of any personal information you share with us (we do not ask for any apart from your email address which can be any email really). We do not log or associate searches with an account, because we do not want or need to. More details in our privacy policy.

Is there a way to pay the fee anonymously? I am not interested in linking my search history to my real name, no matter how much the provider claims to deeply care about my privacy. If not, this service simply does not exist for me.

Re: Kagi search and Orion browser enter public beta

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post #9

I've been evaluating Kagi for a couple weeks, I'm liking it, but today I'm completely sold. I've been doing a niche, technical search this morning: trying to figure out if Emacs and TRAMP can be made to work with flatpak-spawn. Google returned a ton of unrelated posts and I had to tell it to stop ignoring my search terms. Kagi returned the only relevant page: a comment on a Github issue that Google wasn't able to fin…

https://you.com/search?q=f%20Emacs%20and%20TRAMP%20can%20be%...

looks very strong too. github issue is the top results also. would love to hear what you think. we're focused especially on developers.

Re: Kagi search and Orion browser enter public beta

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post #78

> But it costs us about $1 to process 80 searches. > At $10/month, the price does not even cover our cost for average use, and we are basically betting that average use will go down a bit with time because during beta people may be searching more than normal Oh. I'd say that if I switched to Kagi as to the main search engine, I would increase the number of searches I make. And I definitely do many dozens a day. Their…

I do not understand why anyone who only does 2-3 searches a day would pay 10$ a month for a search engine though?

I do not understand how people get through their day without doing at least 2-3 searches an hour. If you're online, working or pretending to work, consuming all that "internetz info", how can you do that without also bombarding Google with Q's about translations between languages, conversion between metric/imperial, basic fact-checking, wikipedia-ing, looking up definitions of words, and such? Even while listening to music, I Google either a phrase from the song or, if I know it, the title plus "lyrics" to immerse myself further into it.

I truly appreciate Kagi's effort and their transparency when it comes to cost.

I will definitely pay money to become "not the product". Is search as important as Netflix? To me, the answer is hell yes. I just need my next search engine to be at least as good as Google. That bar is pretty high, regardless of what we say here on HN.

Re: Kagi search and Orion browser enter public beta

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It's refreshing to see more stuff using WebKit and not Blink / Chromium! Will definitely give this a go /EDIT: this looks, feels and acts exactly like Safari. Feels like I'm just using Safari with a little bit of extra on the top, is that what this is or is everything re-implemented to look like Safari? Also sad to see Safari extensions not supported. It's super cool to have chrome/firefox extension support, but Safa…

> /EDIT2: Extension support is still a bit wonky. Sometimes the chrome version works, sometimes it doesn't and I have to use the Firefox variant, sometimes neither work

then I wish Orion has an updated compatible extension list

Re: Kagi search and Orion browser enter public beta

#129

I’ve been using Kagi for about a week and it’s been awesome! Absolutely no complaints so far...except that I still don’t know how to pronounce it. > - How do you pronounce Kagi? > It is Kah-gee, and it means “key” in Japanese. Is that gee with a soft “g”, like the gee in “gee golly”? (An IPA spelling would go a long way here.)

Hard G. To use your example, as in golly. /Kagɜ;/ I think

Hard G is right, but I don’t think your IPA is. Without diacritics, the IPA for the Japanese “kagi” is /kagi/.

Re: Kagi search and Orion browser enter public beta

#130

Founder here, it was quite a journey very excited to be launching beta today with payments. The idea of paying for web search was unimaginable three years ago when we started this. AMA!

I didn't see it in the FAQ - will Orion be available for other platforms besides Mac, or why only Mac?

There is already an iOS/iPadOS version. Elsewhere, I have read that the developers would like to make a Linux version, but that they currently don’t have the manpower to do so.
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