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Re: Happy Birthday, Libera Chat

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Post by jasonzemos »

aaronmdjones wrote: post #54
Doxin wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wouldn't accuse him of having technical prowess. Pretty much as soon as the takeover happened freenode started suffering technical issues. Libera on the other hand dealt with the insane influx of users really well. There was some connection troubles for the first hour if I recall correctly, but has been pretty much spotless ever since.

The most difficult thing to deal with in the first couple of days were the occasional server crashes. We would have liked some more time on our testnet to iron out the bugs in the IRC server software we were planning to migrate to (and started out with on the new network), but that didn't end up happening. In essence, we deployed a beta straight to production with >10k users on day 1 and had everything ironed out by…

Aaron did a really nice job putting together Solanum (https://github.com/solanum-ircd/solanum).

Re: Happy Birthday, Libera Chat

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Post by unixhero »

teh_klev wrote: post #95
endorphine wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm completely uninitiated to this topic but I'll give it a shot from what I've read in this and the parent comment: It seems like there's some denial about the past/roots of Libera, in this blog post. The "acceptance" phase is yet to come.

> It seems like there's some denial about the past/roots of Libera I'd disagree. There are some coals that no longer need to be continually raked.

Some parts of the lawn we no longer cut

Re: Happy Birthday, Libera Chat

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Post by justaj »

rkangel wrote: post #93

I'm going to take this opportunity to point out that (for me at least) the best IRC client is Matrix. They offer a bridge to Libera.chat, and that then sets up a Matrix "room" for each IRC channel you join. You then get a consistent session, that all history automatically, with clients for every platform. Plus you're on Matrix which is a good thing :)

Except when it sporadically disconnects and forgets your login credentials.

Re: Happy Birthday, Libera Chat

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Post by lkramer »

radarsat1 wrote: post #41

Can people explain what they like about IRC? I've often found the idea of having a community chat around some topic quite intriguing, but in practice when I've tried briefly joining such communities, I simply don't last long, as it doesn't grab my attention. Rooms tend to have tens or a hundred people joined, but saying nothing, until someone has a problem they want to talk about or question they want to ask, which i…

I think it's inertia and age. I joined a few IRC channels when I was a teenager for topics I were interested (Tolkien and old Disney films) and poked around in a lot of other communities, but never really stuck with any in particular. Back then obviously I was looking for friends and chatting to random people. Eventually a small group moved from the Tolkien IRC channel I was on and created a small community of our own which over the years have dwindled to a handful of people, but some of us still stick around (and couldn't imagine going anywhere else). The only other IRC channel I'm on was built around a small message board for a group of highschool friends. The message board is still somewhat active, but the IRC channel is down to 2 members :) I'm now past 40. My social circles stays fairly static. I have tried joining new communities on Discord (and IRC) and generally failed. I don't think it's specifically IRC (although I much prefer its simplicity to Slack and Discord).

Re: Happy Birthday, Libera Chat

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Post by easterncalculus »

radarsat1 wrote: post #41

Can people explain what they like about IRC? I've often found the idea of having a community chat around some topic quite intriguing, but in practice when I've tried briefly joining such communities, I simply don't last long, as it doesn't grab my attention. Rooms tend to have tens or a hundred people joined, but saying nothing, until someone has a problem they want to talk about or question they want to ask, which i…

My point is not to dis on IRC/chat rooms here, just explaining why I've never particularly found it engaging, and so I'm curious what others see in it, as I feel it's something I could learn to appreciate if I tried a bit harder.

I have also always felt this way, trying to get into it and thinking I'll enjoy it but never really succeeding. Maybe all of the people trying to get into it need to create a channel on Libera and just start talking?

IRC and all internet communities that rely on real-time communication have this implicit hurdle where you have to be comfortable talking to people you have never and will never meet.

I personally have never felt especially interested in internet friends and so when I see a Slack channel for something I'm interested in, I just lurk. There is something about the real-time nature of it that is harder to get into compared to sites like HN or reddit, where you can post something and not be as actively holding up a conversation; It's more work. It's also less interesting than doing it in person.

The upside of lurking on platforms like Slack is that every now and then, when someone posts a link, a job posting, something else that I find interesting, I can click on it and easily search for it. Without an IRC bouncer and checking in at regular intervals, I see less interesting stuff over time. You have to "be there", it seems. That's aside from the slow, questions only discussions you're referencing. My guess is that people who can't get into chat rooms, IRC, etc are not willing to check into these online spaces in the same way they do physical ones.

Re: Happy Birthday, Libera Chat

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Post by 2pEXgD0fZ5cF »

jokoon wrote: post #78

I wonder if discord might threaten IRC, it seems that is not the case. There are two servers dedicated to the c++ language.

I am part of a few programming/language communities that are both on discord and IRC. I noticed that discord lends itself to...low quality discourse, so to speak.

It might sound a bit cliché but despite a big overlap of members which hang out and participate in both at the same time IRC has way less noise and better discussions and answers. I also feel like the language creators, while hanging out in both, do the "important" communication on IRC.

On discord there is more emote, picture and link spam and more "joking around with memes", and that is despite the fact that the discord servers already have dedicated channels for certain topics.

Now this is a very subjective observation on my part, but I believe that there will always be a place for plaintext communication, since it automatically filters a lot of noise and demands a lot less mental overhead to keep running in the background.

Please note that I am not really nostalgic for IRC, since I am a pretty recent user. I'm at an age where I barely missed the "golden IRC years" and when I got into programming it was already declared dead by many, whatever that even means given that some people have been claiming the death of IRC for a long time now.

Re: Happy Birthday, Libera Chat

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Post by nullc »

kaoD wrote: post #58
radarsat1 wrote: post #41

Can people explain what they like about IRC? I've often found the idea of having a community chat around some topic quite intriguing, but in practice when I've tried briefly joining such communities, I simply don't last long, as it doesn't grab my attention. Rooms tend to have tens or a hundred people joined, but saying nothing, until someone has a problem they want to talk about or question they want to ask, which i…

I agree with sibling comments. I'd also add that IRC nowadays is very different from what it used to be. If you removed bouncers channels would be mostly empty. That's why you often see silence. Back in the days IRC had very vibrant communities. I'd say it's turning into nostalgia now.

You're probably making the mistake of joining communities that have been embrace-extended-extinguished by slack and matrix bridges.

Users on the attacking service get full access to IRC but also additional channels. For who don't mind the insane web bloatware it's simply the least friction path to abandon irc to participate.

In my experience communities that banned these bridges have remained vibrant and active.

Re: Happy Birthday, Libera Chat

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Post by ThatGeoGuy »

Vladimof wrote: post #101

I wish that Libera Chat would obfuscate user hostnames in the WHOIS...

There is, in fact, excellent documentation on their site for this https://libera.chat/guides/cloaks.

Of course, it's not as much of a free-for-all as some other networks (I recall Rizon lets you set whatever cloak you want), but it should hide hostnames.

Re: Happy Birthday, Libera Chat

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Post by aaronmdjones »

jasonzemos wrote: post #121
aaronmdjones wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The most difficult thing to deal with in the first couple of days were the occasional server crashes. We would have liked some more time on our testnet to iron out the bugs in the IRC server software we were planning to migrate to (and started out with on the new network), but that didn't end up happening. In essence, we deployed a beta straight to production with >10k users on day 1 and had everything ironed out by…

Aaron did a really nice job putting together Solanum ( https://github.com/solanum-ircd/solanum ).

Solanum isn't my effort; Ed has done most of the work on it. I'm more focused on services (NickServ, ChanServ, et al.)

Re: Happy Birthday, Libera Chat

#130

Post by Vladimof »

ThatGeoGuy wrote: post #128
Vladimof wrote: post #101

I wish that Libera Chat would obfuscate user hostnames in the WHOIS...

There is, in fact, excellent documentation on their site for this https://libera.chat/guides/cloaks . Of course, it's not as much of a free-for-all as some other networks (I recall Rizon lets you set whatever cloak you want), but it should hide hostnames.

by default, Rizon replaces the identifying part of your hostname with "Rizon-xxxxxxxx"... I wish that liberachat would do the same without needing to register and then take some other action.... I don't need a custom hostname, just one that doesn't broadcast my IP.
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