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Steve Jobs left designer Jony Ive more power than anyone at Apple

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Re: Steve Jobs left designer Jony Ive more power than anyone at Apple

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Post by philwelch »

gallamine wrote: post #84
AllenKids wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, sometimes we get the toilet seat cover iBook and Cars 2, but by and large having a creative guru under nobody else's thumb seems to work well for both companies.

Actually, John Lasseter defends Cars 2: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/18/movies/john-lasseter-of-pi... Apparently the "critics" were far harsher than audiences.

They usually are, but that's often the last defense of truly awful movies. I've never seen Cars 2 so I wouldn't know about it in particular, but we can all think of some truly bad movies that did good box office.

Re: Steve Jobs left designer Jony Ive more power than anyone at Apple

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Post by 0x12 »

artursapek wrote: post #52
brown9-2 wrote: post #51

Of course, any new CEO/board can undo what previous CEOs and boards have set in stone.

I think they all have too much respect for Steve to change anything like this for a while.

The hard part will be when reality rubs up against things set in stone. The big trick will be to determine exactly when change is needed versus when some people just want to change things to make their mark.

Re: Steve Jobs left designer Jony Ive more power than anyone at Apple

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Post by gnaffle »

ugh wrote: post #40
siglesias wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Jobs has never taken credit for a design, has he? People who are uninformed just assume it's Jobs, and that perhaps is what Ive is referring to. He probably meant "it hurts when [Jobs] gets credit..." If you look at the Objectified interview, along with nearly every promotional video that Apple puts out, it's very clear that Ive is the design guy.

Could be an internal thing. I really can’t remember Jobs ever publicly and personally taking credit for design. But maybe he did inside the company? I guess we will have to wait for the book for more context.

That might be. I did read something on folklore.org about Steve Jobs often being told an idea, dismissing it as stupid, and, several weeks later, often coming back with the same idea thinking it was his own.

Re: Steve Jobs left designer Jony Ive more power than anyone at Apple

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Post by ary »

AllenKids wrote: post #67
zach wrote: post #62

By comparison, John Lasseter has more power than anyone at Pixar. I think the situation could be similar. Now, sure, he has to commit to budgets and timeframes but if he really wants something you have to figure it's going to happen. And of course, he's not the top manager, the CEO equivalent in charge of the studio itself — Ed Catmull is. And yes, everything creative gets picked apart by other directors so it's not…

Yeah, sometimes we get the toilet seat cover iBook and Cars 2, but by and large having a creative guru under nobody else's thumb seems to work well for both companies.

I thought this about the first Cars (I've yet to see Cars 2). What you have to keep in mind is that kids loved the first one, and probably the second one too. Even Pixar is going to bow to commercial viability now and again so they can make things like Wall-E.

Re: Steve Jobs left designer Jony Ive more power than anyone at Apple

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Post by ary »

jsz0 wrote: post #32
technoslut wrote: post #7

Interestingly enough, there is a quote from the Jobs book, from Ive, that was tweeted by Bianca Bosker, who works at the Huffington Post: https://twitter.com/bbosker/status/127357233632788480 "Jony Ive:'I pay maniacal attention to where an idea comes from...so it hurts when [Jobs] takes credit for one of my designs'" As much as Jobs considered Ive a 'spiritual partner' there was still a power play that existed betwee…

I wonder if this is why Apple started showing their little 'how its made' videos at the end of new product announcements that have often featured Ives talking about design.

Apple has been showing "how it's made" videos for a very long time.

http://vimeo.com/11899632 (see 35:05 to 39:00).

Re: Steve Jobs left designer Jony Ive more power than anyone at Apple

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Post by chrischen »

aantix wrote: post #78
technoslut wrote: post #7

Interestingly enough, there is a quote from the Jobs book, from Ive, that was tweeted by Bianca Bosker, who works at the Huffington Post: https://twitter.com/bbosker/status/127357233632788480 "Jony Ive:'I pay maniacal attention to where an idea comes from...so it hurts when [Jobs] takes credit for one of my designs'" As much as Jobs considered Ive a 'spiritual partner' there was still a power play that existed betwee…

Personally, I think it'd be a much more intellectually honest viewpoint if Apple started showing off this creative process instead of the word "magic" being tossed around so loosely. It's not magic; it's hard working designers iterating, researching, collaborating, and then iterating more to make a great product. And it's damn hard work. Lift the curtain Apple and give Ive (and the others) their due.

Well obviously it's not "magic." Magic is just a marketing term anyways.

Re: Steve Jobs left designer Jony Ive more power than anyone at Apple

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Post by [deleted] »

maxmcd wrote: post #101
AllenKids wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is not that just a story with no reliable source whatsoever? And the true tabloid Daily Mail actually interviewed some of Ive's friends and they all said never heard of such a desire from Jony Ive himself. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/moslive/article-1367481/Appl...

I guess we'll all find out on Monday.

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