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Cryptocurreny retailer BitPrime closes trading after running out of money

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Re: Cryptocurreny retailer BitPrime closes trading after running out of money

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I don’t understand the go-to-zero case. Surely an open source, permissionless financial system has some value? There’s tons of value being captured in closed financial systems.

Surely an open source, battle-tested, massively widely used operating system like Linux has some value? There's tons of value being captured by closed operating systems.

But there is tons of value being captured by closed operating systems?

Re: Cryptocurreny retailer BitPrime closes trading after running out of money

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Bitcoin alone was apparently given a market cap of over 2 trillion recently. That’s roughly the entire GDP of France. If France’s economy poofed out of existence or halved in value, that’d be a huge shake up.

GDP is a flow. It would be better to compare the total assets of France to Bitcoin’s market cap. France’s public stocks have a market capitalization of over $2T alone. Then there are private firms, real estate, personal and government assets, IP, etc. In short, France’s actual worth far dwarfs that of the BTC market.

Right, trying to compare GDP and "market cap" is like trying to compare the Amazon river with Lake Michigan.

Re: Cryptocurreny retailer BitPrime closes trading after running out of money

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The reasons for OTC desks is that if an individual wants to buy, say $100m of an asset, it's likely that they need to buy from multiple sellers. If you do that by buying $10k x 10k transactions, your demand will increase the price of the asset and mean you pay more than current price for no good reason. OTC desks either collect the $100m from large holders in big blocks, or they use working capital to constantly buy…

> unique service of accepting /nzd vs. EUR/USD/JPY/KRW Which could possibly be the reason why they are in trouble? The NZD has been dropping against USD over the last while, so any uncovered delays could hurt their margins?

To add: BitPrime was a very small operation. They do have 22 people on their about us page, but I would guess most of those are founders, sweat-equity, or intern-like (few salaried, even though salaries in NZ are wayyy lower than US).

> wants to buy, say $100m of an asset

https://www.bitprime.co.nz/about-us/ says:

  Victories
  Crypto Bought:2M+
  Crypto Sold: 90M+
  Users: 30K+
Very small. This isn't a sign of cryptogeddon.

Re: Cryptocurreny retailer BitPrime closes trading after running out of money

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This. They did the same thing with “terra USD”, some shitcoin I had never heard of until it failed. It was even named to confuse people by sounding like USDT. HN is only a step above CNN when it comes to trustworthiness on this specific topic.

UST was like the #8 cryptocurrency by market cap…

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Re: Cryptocurreny retailer BitPrime closes trading after running out of money

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UST was like the #8 cryptocurrency by market cap…

Lots of scams have blown up and temporarily been there. I’m sure bitconnect did too.

You're going from 'shitcoin' to 'scam'. Bitconnect was somewhat relevant/ significant. The 100th meme dog coin is not.

Re: Cryptocurreny retailer BitPrime closes trading after running out of money

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post #64

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This is some random startup nobody has heard of. HN likes to work themselves into a froth over every scrap of bad crypto news, but this is utterly insignificant. Crypto will continue to fluctuate wildly as it always has.

This. They did the same thing with “terra USD”, some shitcoin I had never heard of until it failed. It was even named to confuse people by sounding like USDT. HN is only a step above CNN when it comes to trustworthiness on this specific topic.

It doesn't count as real crypto until zionic has heard of it?

Irrespective of your attitude to an unheard-of coin, the situation rather epitomises the problem many have with crypto. They start off as penny stocks, but people expect them all to rocket to Fortune 500 levels for no good reason other than all the other gullible idiots pumping their savings into them, forgetting in their greed that it's quite as easy to start a run if you have enough.

Before you know it —and I very much mean you there— they're trading at $120 with a cap of $32bn before the floor drops out. I know a cap isn't tangible value but none of this stuff is. That didn't stop this being a top 10 crypto currency at one point.

It's all Monopoly money. You can get rich trading it, but you can also lose everything. A lot of people are getting fractions of a penny on their dollar investment. All because, what? It stinks of pump and dump. It all stinks of pump and dump.

Pile on the environmental disaster that is proof of work, and you should be able to see why people hate crypto. It's weirder that more people don't but on investigation that's usually because they have skin in the game.

Re: Cryptocurreny retailer BitPrime closes trading after running out of money

#130
post #110
post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is some random startup nobody has heard of. HN likes to work themselves into a froth over every scrap of bad crypto news, but this is utterly insignificant. Crypto will continue to fluctuate wildly as it always has.

This. They did the same thing with “terra USD”, some shitcoin I had never heard of until it failed. It was even named to confuse people by sounding like USDT. HN is only a step above CNN when it comes to trustworthiness on this specific topic.

Just to put in perspective: a number of non-crypto YC startups had their treasury in UST. The reverberations of this will be massive.
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