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Re: WordPress’ market share is shrinking

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Post by stevenicr »

Gigachad wrote: post #92
partiallypro wrote: post #6

Wix and Squarespace are imo infinitely harder to make look good/maintain than Wordpress (at least without Gutenburg). Just some basic tasks are needlessly difficult or impossible. I still think Wordpress is the go-to easy to build/maintain CMS. IMO, I think Automattic introduced Gutenberg way too soon to Core and introduced it as very half baked. Still to this day it's very half baked to an incredible degree, some pa…

The problem with Wordpress isn't the ease of use, its the constant maintenance required. If you are a local restaurant, you don't need an extremely powerful and flexible framework. You need something that is always online, doesn't get hacked, doesn't have its certificates expire, doesn't run out of disk space because of a log file, doesn't get stuck on a 5 year old debian, etc. If you have to pay a little more to hav…

agree that the non-stop overly frequent maintenance is a serious pain point for site owners and developers.

Also agree with GP that gutenberg has been ruining WP since it was shoved into core, for many reasons.

If the classic-press fork of WP is still a thing it'd be better for most people.

Glad to see they are working with a performance team now.

Currently I find it best use one of the wordpress-to-static plugins to have a design spit out into static html and use that. (which then you can zip/archive and delete all the php / gutenberg / logins etc) It's safer and faster.

of course you would lose comments and easy client updates going static, and may need a contact form chunk of code to add after the fact in some cases - but it's my current suggestion.

Re: WordPress’ market share is shrinking

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Post by ravivyas »

Contrarian View: The CMS market is expanding.

Notes from the post - The %is actually growing, ~41% to ~43%, minor drops in the last few months

The large point is how the CMS market has diversified, which is evident from the fact that the next largest player is Shopify at ~4%. CMS is too broad a term which envelops personal blogs to E-commerce.

The challenge Wordpress will have in the long run is trying to do everything for everyone and not being the best at anything.

Re: WordPress’ market share is shrinking

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Post by chupchap »

Who's still using Alexa? The quality of data is only as good as the people using the service. I haven't seen a single person who uses Alexa as a plugin or as a service in ages so I don't know how to treat this data. The only companies with a legit data would be search engines and browsers.

Re: WordPress’ market share is shrinking

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Post by nmridul »

Gigachad wrote: post #92
partiallypro wrote: post #6

Wix and Squarespace are imo infinitely harder to make look good/maintain than Wordpress (at least without Gutenburg). Just some basic tasks are needlessly difficult or impossible. I still think Wordpress is the go-to easy to build/maintain CMS. IMO, I think Automattic introduced Gutenberg way too soon to Core and introduced it as very half baked. Still to this day it's very half baked to an incredible degree, some pa…

The problem with Wordpress isn't the ease of use, its the constant maintenance required. If you are a local restaurant, you don't need an extremely powerful and flexible framework. You need something that is always online, doesn't get hacked, doesn't have its certificates expire, doesn't run out of disk space because of a log file, doesn't get stuck on a 5 year old debian, etc. If you have to pay a little more to hav…

Does the wordpress commercial offering not solve this issue ? Maybe I am wrong, but I understood it also as setup and forget. Any users of wordpress.com could provide more information..

Re: WordPress’ market share is shrinking

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Post by scrame »

hyperdimension wrote: post #51
peckrob wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've done some Wordpress consulting work in the past. I wouldn't say I hate Wordpress. I advocate for it's use in some cases! I think it is a fantastic piece of software for what it natively does. You want a blogging platform? Wordpress is one of the best, hands down. You want a basic CMS that is so dead simple that anyone that can use a word processor can update the website? Wordpress excels at this, because that is…

> It's when people start trying to make it do things beyond this that problems start to accrue. Ugh, that just serves to remind me of the unholy, demented shapes I've seen (Fortune 500) companies are able to mangle SharePoint into. Customizability is usually a nice quality in general, but certainly not without any cost.

see also: jira

Re: WordPress’ market share is shrinking

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Post by jillesvangurp »

siquick wrote: post #9

The only people I know who hate Wordpress are the developers who have had the misfortune of having to manage an instance of Wordpress. All the marketing and content people I have worked with love it.

This. I have a sales person and a designer that maintain our Wordpress instance. I login to the admin panel once every few months. Mostly these people do everything by themselves.

Among the things they've done recently:

- a major web site redesign (custom styling and look)

- added translations (via a plugin)

- updated how we gather analytics

- added a hubspot integration

I don't know many platforms where that can happen without technical people getting involved. All the next best options are SAAS platforms like shopify, squarespace, hubspot, etc.

None of us have any php skills (well, I deny having them and tend to not touch it). It's not perfect. But it's there and it works. For me the main value is that it can do what it does without me needing to be involved. We spend a few days setting it up at some point and making sure it gets updates. That's it.

It's not surprising wordpress market share is declining. I'd actually recommend new companies to pick one of the SAAS options. Even with wordpress, getting somebody else to host it for you is probably wise (there are a few good companies in this space).

Re: WordPress’ market share is shrinking

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Post by agumonkey »

siquick wrote: post #9

The only people I know who hate Wordpress are the developers who have had the misfortune of having to manage an instance of Wordpress. All the marketing and content people I have worked with love it.

I wonder how the code looks like. Back in pre PHP5 days, it was surprisingly painful to read their docs (globals and side effects) and plugins source was just shocking. Angry 17yo levels of dirt loc (and that's insulting to 17yo)

Re: WordPress’ market share is shrinking

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Post by cheeseface »

This is not surprising. The WordPress scene is super confusing right now. I spent almost 5 years building WordPress websites professionally and stopped a few years go. If I would need to build a WordPress site today, I would not know if I should start. Even the themes at WordPress.com (the hosted "user-friendly" version) have wildly different editing experiences.
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