Master at Arms Badge for Boy Scouts (1925) [pdf] • Hacker News Board

Re: Master at Arms Badge for Boy Scouts (1925) [pdf]

#121

Post by giantg2 » Fri, May 13, 2022, 11:29 PM UTC

jvanderbot wrote: post #101

amalcon wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are martial arts where even in competition, concussion is relatively rare. E.g. grappling sports like Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu don't usually involve impacts of that intensity, to the head or otherwise.

Football has more concussions than boxing, because it has more full speed competition than boxing. Almost nobody does in-the-ring boxing, they just learn. And soccer has the most injuries of any sport, according to an ER doc (who treated me for a football injury).

Is it possible that it's the most widely played sport (and some of the least protective equipment) so they'll see the most people but it might not be the highest per capita?

That said, I know a kid who somehow lacerated his kidney and had to spend time in the ICU. At least two others with concussions.

Re: Master at Arms Badge for Boy Scouts (1925) [pdf]

#122

Post by giantg2 » Fri, May 13, 2022, 11:34 PM UTC

moron4hire wrote: post #80

jvanderbot wrote: post #48

I really love this. I am a firm believer in everyone studying _some_ martial art (player's choice). For the following reasons: - It teaches an insane amount of respect when two people have to hold themselves back to practice - It teaches self-discipline, mostly in the long-forgotten art of keeping yourself from becoming so angry you cannot function with form. - It gives a crazy amount of confidence to know you are at…

In principle, I want to agree. In practice, I think the vast majority of martial arts schools are nothing more than glorified day care facilities with a side of calisthenics. They don't constructively do anything to actually teach those issues of control and discipline to the students. It's not enough to give people the skills and then expect them to learn from experience the restraint necessary to not use it. They d…

"They don't constructively do anything to actually teach those issues of control and discipline to the students."

At least when I was growing up, it was always the kids who took karate that were quick to fight, or talk smack. So I think I agree. Although one caveat is that it's not appropriate for everyone, or that some kids need to be much older than others. So maybe it has to do with the parents and facilities not denying those kids based on their ability to control themselves.

On a side note, if a kid uses martial arts skills in real life, it could result in increased liability. That's something people don't think about.

Re: Master at Arms Badge for Boy Scouts (1925) [pdf]

#123

Post by aidenn0 » Fri, May 13, 2022, 11:48 PM UTC

amalcon wrote: post #77

throwawayboise wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I could support kids learning boxing if it was limited to body blows. With what we are learning about concussion, it seems to be more and more understood that blows to the head are never OK. Maybe you still need to teach defense against head blows, but they should probably not be allowed in competition. Getting battered in the head until you cannot stand up or respond should be right out.

There are martial arts where even in competition, concussion is relatively rare. E.g. grappling sports like Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu don't usually involve impacts of that intensity, to the head or otherwise.

Masahiko Kimura was famous for knocking people out with his osoto-gari.

Helio Gracie thickened the mats for his match with him to prevent this. By all reports Kimura threw him around the ring before finally switching to ground-work for the win (And after winning with a reverse-keylock, that submission was named after him in BJJ).

Re: Master at Arms Badge for Boy Scouts (1925) [pdf]

#124

Post by srdesigner » Fri, May 13, 2022, 11:58 PM UTC

gonzo wrote: post #109

motohagiography wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Grew up playing hockey and just assumed the point of having children was to set them against one another for sport. It's as though nobody here is from Canada. Did you not have lawn darts, potassium nitrate, and licorice cigars? I was a generation or so late to get a duelling scar, but grew up about 20miles from the site of Camp X (where we invented the CIA), and it seemed the american kids were given guns willy nilly…

We had lawn darts and potassium nitrate. I was given my first rifle when I was 6 (for Christmas). Still have it. I turned 60 yesterday. Different times.

You will likely really enjoy Super70sSports on Twitter.

Re: Master at Arms Badge for Boy Scouts (1925) [pdf]

#125

Post by paulmd » Sat, May 14, 2022, 1:29 AM UTC

jessaustin wrote: post #93

eric4smith wrote: post #90

I got the badge for knots, hiking and camping. 45 years later I can still mess with some of those knots! Boy Scouts we’re awesome. Pity in the USA they are a little under attack now.

Perhaps the greater pity is that they have sheltered child molesters for decades?

And then blamed it on gays.

BSA has always been tied up with religion and churches - and particularly the Mormon church. And this is very much not the case in other countries.