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Apple employees criticize work-from-home policy in open letter

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In other words: We blew five billion dollars on Apple Park. its a monument and a testament to the ineffable power and glory of our babel made manifest. You will attend this church of man in blessed reverence or you will find the cold streets at your feet.

Are people who are convinced by this logic aware that the vast majority of Apple employees don’t work in Apple Park and instead in extremely unremarkable office buildings throughout suburban Bay Area?

Re: Apple employees criticize work-from-home policy in open letter

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In other words: We blew five billion dollars on Apple Park. its a monument and a testament to the ineffable power and glory of our babel made manifest. You will attend this church of man in blessed reverence or you will find the cold streets at your feet.

Our great computers fill the hallowed halls.

Re: Apple employees criticize work-from-home policy in open letter

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Maybe allow teams, but I don't think allowing individuals to choose isn't good. Having a team that's half remote/half in-person is worse of both worlds. What typically ends up happening IME is that the in-person half typically gets way way way more visibility than those working remote. It's especially worse if the company isn't remote first at all. It's especially terrible if the team is remotely distributed as well.…

"in-person half typically gets way way way more visibility than those working remote." That's a management problem, not a policy problem. Sorry.

Yes, and the management solution is to blame the people being managed for not liking it

Re: Apple employees criticize work-from-home policy in open letter

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Apple knows what form of work is best for Apple. If it turns out they are wrong, they'll eventually suffer in the market as the result of making the wrong choice.

That said, being remote or hybrid first seems like it would be a huge competitive advantage for a least some teams in Apple...like the Facetime team.

I tried using their "new" like zoom Facetime meeting with a URL feature for a work-related meeting. The lack of basic functionality like a text chat to share links and other notes in shows that Apple either doesn't actually use Facetime for their own remote meetings or they have no idea how most people use these types of tools to collaborate.

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> CEO Tim Cook called in-person collaboration benefits "irreplaceable" and in an email, the executive team talked about the importance of "the serendipity that comes from bumping into colleagues" during in-person work. Another extroverted MBA who doesn't understand why many engineers need big, unbroken chunks of silence & concentration to do great work.

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Re: Apple employees criticize work-from-home policy in open letter

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People want to have their cake and eat it too. Silicon Valley companies pay very well because cost of living is very high in the area and they _need_ to pay well to attract talent in that area. If remote work becomes the norm, pay will start to even out across the country. If you live in a place that didn't pay well before, you'll be better off, but if you live in a high cost of work area, you'll probably be worse of…

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Rather than sneering over your superiority, perhaps you could say something about a more sophisticated model.

Re: Apple employees criticize work-from-home policy in open letter

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I don’t see Apple claiming remote working is not good in general. They just don’t believe remote working is good for them. And again, Turkey creating great drones does not require them to believe war is good. This is a pretty straightforward logical fallacy.

> Turkey creating great drones does not require them to believe war is good. I don’t think that’s the correct analogy. It’s more like Turkey creating great drones while also believing that drones are not an effective way to wage war.

Isn't it $entity creates $tool. $tool is used by people for $scenario. $entity doesn't like $scenario.

Apple nowhere said their products aren't good for remote work...?

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If your hybrid is mandatory then you can expect to be back to full time 5 days in a years time approx.

As a manager, these types of comments and sentiments are so incredibly frustrating for me. This is pure supposition based on no evidence. It's entirely a byproduct of a lack of trust in management intentions. Taking my company as an example, while the executive team has been ambiguous, I know that a full return to 5 days of asses in seats is not being contemplated at all , not the least of which because we don't want…

You could pre-commit to it. For example, you could sign a contract that if the company mandates a full return to work in the next 10 years, they will also increase everyone's base salary by 50%. That would be prohibitively expensive, so the company will never do it.

Re: Apple employees criticize work-from-home policy in open letter

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> CEO Tim Cook called in-person collaboration benefits "irreplaceable" and in an email, the executive team talked about the importance of "the serendipity that comes from bumping into colleagues" during in-person work. Another extroverted MBA who doesn't understand why many engineers need big, unbroken chunks of silence & concentration to do great work.

Lots of companies' executive officers are relaying identical messages, even down to the same choice of words. "Serendipity." "Collaboration." "Magical hallway conversations." I've never seen all of Corporate America, including fierce competitors, so closely aligned on a very particular narrative, as I've seen them aligned on returning to physical offices. It's as if they all received the exact same memo with the same talking points and are all desperately following it. Never seen anything like it before.

Re: Apple employees criticize work-from-home policy in open letter

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If your hybrid is mandatory then you can expect to be back to full time 5 days in a years time approx.

As a manager, these types of comments and sentiments are so incredibly frustrating for me. This is pure supposition based on no evidence. It's entirely a byproduct of a lack of trust in management intentions. Taking my company as an example, while the executive team has been ambiguous, I know that a full return to 5 days of asses in seats is not being contemplated at all , not the least of which because we don't want…

Flexible working means giving people an option, and when it is mandatory a justification.

Flexibility is not forcing people to come some arbitrary number of days because reasons.

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