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Re: Apple Reports Second Quarter Results

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Post by threeseed »

hollandheese wrote: post #95
spiderice wrote: post #78

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> Devices stopped being shipped with USB-A a long time ago now. I interpreted this to mean the male side. Sure you can still buy laptops that accept USB-A, but I haven't seen any peripheral that still uses USB-A in a long time. I'm sure you could still buy a thumb drive with USB-A, but I wouldn't.

>I haven't seen any peripheral that still uses USB-A in a long time. Wired Mice, Wired Keyboards, Thumb drives, external hard drives, printers, webcams, external cd/dvd/bluray drives, etc.. What peripherals do you look at? Barely any of them use USB-C unless they're explicitly USB-C docks, or Thunderbolt peripherals.

Maybe you're just seeing older models.

But every new device today is overwhelmingly shipping with USB-C.

Re: Apple Reports Second Quarter Results

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Post by threeseed »

goosedragons wrote: post #89
chrischen wrote: post #58

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Then don't get the dongle. Just upgrade your accessory to use USB type C. Having a bulky USB A port just to appease the 1% of users who spend $2000 on a shiny new macbook but cheap out on a mouse they've been using from the 90s? I exaggerate, but if you really want to keep your old accessories then leave the dongle permanently attached to the accessory. You can get like a 10 pack for like $5 probably.

Find a new wired mouse with a USB C connector. USB A isn't dead just yet. Also doesn't really help in the scenario where maybe you need to grab files off a client or colleague's flash drive...

That's because no one even makes them anymore e.g. Logitech has ZERO normal wired mice.

So of course you're seeing USB-A mice because they are probably old models from the 2000s.

Re: Apple Reports Second Quarter Results

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Post by threeseed »

ghaff wrote: post #61
rnk wrote: post #56

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The same thing can be said for the unnecessary apple lightning plug - it serves no purpose other than apple selling adapters and blocking usb-c use. Yet it keeps being used. Lots of companies have things with only usb-c but the real problem is not new use, it's the billions of devices with usb-a plugs on them. In my house there are probably 10 usb-c plugs across several computers and 100 usb-a things to plug in.

The main purpose lightning serves is that it removes a barrier to Apple customers upgrading to the next iPhone. Apple will get to USB-C--probably sooner rather than later; I wouldn't bet against this year--but that's actually a case of getting onto a standard even though there's no real advantage right now for Apple customers and some pain.

Apple won't move to USB-C for the iPhone.

They are actively looking at how to transmit data over the Magsafe adapter. Once that happens there will be no ports.

Re: Apple Reports Second Quarter Results

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Post by rrrrrrrrrrrryan »

hollandheese wrote: post #95
spiderice wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Devices stopped being shipped with USB-A a long time ago now. I interpreted this to mean the male side. Sure you can still buy laptops that accept USB-A, but I haven't seen any peripheral that still uses USB-A in a long time. I'm sure you could still buy a thumb drive with USB-A, but I wouldn't.

>I haven't seen any peripheral that still uses USB-A in a long time. Wired Mice, Wired Keyboards, Thumb drives, external hard drives, printers, webcams, external cd/dvd/bluray drives, etc.. What peripherals do you look at? Barely any of them use USB-C unless they're explicitly USB-C docks, or Thunderbolt peripherals.

This is all kind of old tech though. Mice, keyboards and printers have been wireless for ages. Yes, I realize there's a gamer population that prefers wired peripherals for the latency, but some gamers only play on CRT monitors for the same reason - it doesn't make them not outdated tech. If I started a new job and they gave me a wired mouse I'd think they hate me.

The storage solutions you listed (thumb drives, hard drives, optical drives) aren't used daily by most people, and are all widely available with USB-C.

Re: Apple Reports Second Quarter Results

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Post by bee_rider »

obscuren wrote: post #96
bee_rider wrote: post #68

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It isn't really a matter of cost, so much as the inconvenience of replacing all the peripherals I've accumulated over time (ignoring the fact that there isn't even a USB-C version of my favorite keyboard). Yes adapters are possible, however an even better solution (in that it doesn't require remembering to bring an adapter everywhere) is just to buy a different brand of laptop.

Just buy a couple of these [1] (can probably find them cheaper even) and leave them attached to the peripheral (not your Mac) - [1] https://satechi.net/products/aluminum-usb-c-to-usb-a-adapter...

It is clearly possible to find workaround, but it seems weird to need one on a $2000 laptop when other companies manage to fit it on cheaper, thinner laptops.

Re: Apple Reports Second Quarter Results

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Post by moistly »

ghaff wrote: post #16
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #9

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> one has to assume that the ultimate direction is for some sort of convergence of iPad and MacBook Why?

Because, for example, I'd prefer to travel with a single device and the MacBook is better than the iPad at certain things and vice versa. It's not that big an imposition to take two devices to be sure--and I'm sure Apple doesn't mind the extra sales. And I can mostly sub my phone and maybe a Kindle if I'm trying to go light. But it feels as if there's the potential for a unified device someday there-- if it can be wi…

Everyone knows two screens are better than one. So take both, and use the iPad as the second screen when using the laptop, and as a tablet when you’re not?

Re: Apple Reports Second Quarter Results

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Post by chrischen »

bee_rider wrote: post #126
obscuren wrote: post #96

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Just buy a couple of these [1] (can probably find them cheaper even) and leave them attached to the peripheral (not your Mac) - [1] https://satechi.net/products/aluminum-usb-c-to-usb-a-adapter...

It is clearly possible to find workaround, but it seems weird to need one on a $2000 laptop when other companies manage to fit it on cheaper, thinner laptops.

Your requirement of a USB Aport to satisfy an esoteric accessory is a niche use case. They are not going to include A USB A just like why they won’t add a firewire port to satisfy that 1%.

Pretty much all new keyboards, even niche ones, now come with Type C standard. Plus you are making a huge deal out of the graceful degradation of attaching an adapter to your keyboard. If we’re going to permanently retrofit something its going to be your keyboard—not the macbook.

I upgrade my gear regularly. And because of that I pretty much never use USB A. Apple designs their products for people who upgrade their gear. If they add a USB A to my shiny new laptop it’d be quite annoying because it is 1 extra port that I will never use that is probably there at the expense of another Type C port.

Re: Apple Reports Second Quarter Results

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Post by hollandheese »

rrrrrrrrrrrryan wrote: post #125
hollandheese wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I haven't seen any peripheral that still uses USB-A in a long time. Wired Mice, Wired Keyboards, Thumb drives, external hard drives, printers, webcams, external cd/dvd/bluray drives, etc.. What peripherals do you look at? Barely any of them use USB-C unless they're explicitly USB-C docks, or Thunderbolt peripherals.

This is all kind of old tech though. Mice, keyboards and printers have been wireless for ages. Yes, I realize there's a gamer population that prefers wired peripherals for the latency, but some gamers only play on CRT monitors for the same reason - it doesn't make them not outdated tech. If I started a new job and they gave me a wired mouse I'd think they hate me. The storage solutions you listed (thumb drives, hard…

Can you show me a decent optical drive with a USB-C cable? Because I can't find one.

Also, yes many mice and keyboards do come with Bluetooth. But all of the ones that require dongles for wireless are only USB-A. No USB-C Logitech Unifying/Bolt receivers.

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