Getting Akira vibes from that Video.
Shanghai video overwhelms Chinese censor, gets 400M views
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#122Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is communism in a nutshell. The government decides the people are forced to follow. Even if it results in millions dead.
And absolute monarchism, and classic dictatorship, fascism, etc. Communism isn't the only ideology which usually ends up totalitarian.
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#123Typing this from shanghai now.
It is crazy that CCP is again on the course of self destruction.
Maybe this sort of self destruction is inevitable for every single major power. It is just a matter if one can correct the wrong and change course before it is too late.
USA ditched Trump by election. Putin is doing shit to Russia.
It is happening in China now.
Chinese people can put up with CCP because we have been through too much disasters. A stable and somehow rational one-party rule is NOT so bad as long as stability is maintained and people's private space is respected to an acceptable level.
Shanghai is right now at the edge of breaking this unwritten agreement between CCP and the people. If this goes on for a few more weeks, there will be social unrest.
I am not optimistic about it.
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#124what does china govt know that rest of the world doesn't know about current spread of virus...??? Such extreme measures make me think we are missing something
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#125Earlier quoted context omitted.
Very interesting. Not doubting the severity of the situation, but I'm curious where you get this info – you seem to have knowledge of the inside baseball (like emergency meetings held by CCP admins) and I don't know how to trust that it's accurate.
Out of experience in Hong Kong, this is exactly what happened. People weren't afraid of testing positive, they were afraid of being taken away to a poorly maintained quarantine facility for two weeks. Even your close contacts would be quarantined for two weeks, making it so that many people (unsurprisingly) lied about who they met, or where they went. For people, who live paycheck to paycheck, this would essentially…
Indeed, that was exactly the issue in Hong Kong and when the likelihood of having this happen in HK with the mandatory tests and rising cases started to skyrocket, that's when I left to go take refugee outside the madness. Ironically, I promptly got covid in Europe and it was no big deal. The disease itself is no big deal, the real risk is authoritarian governments who have gone mental. All of my friends who have gotten covid in HK are keeping it very secret, which explains how we only have a bit over 1M reported cases, vs. likely 4M+ cases in 3 months (out of a population of 7M).
And we have it easy in HK. What's happening in Shanghai is far scarier. They're literally going around forcibly imprisoning people and starving them, and killing their pets arbitrarily. In HK they only tried to kill people's hamsters, but at least didn't go for our dogs. If they had gone for my boy, that's when I'd turn full revolutionary.
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#126One thing that I observe about how China deals with COVID: leadership assumes that they have perfect control over perfect people. Therefore they try these type of solutions like complete lock-down of a city of 26m people. They assume that they are perfect as leaders, so planning is perfect and takes everything into consideration. They assume that people will execute their orders perfectly, even under extreme hardship…
> I am curious when China will adjust their model/plan for COVID to consider the vast amount of counter-evidence that is accumulating. Probably it will take at least one year and a half - two years, at least that's how long it took the Western authorities to somehow change their discourse. Some people around the Western parts of the world still believe in mask mandates, to say nothing of the vaccine mandates if you w…
> Some people around the Western parts of the world still believe in mask mandates, to say nothing of the vaccine mandates if you want to visit their country
Yes, people believe in mask mandates because masks are an effective way to prevent the spread of COVID. This is indisputable, so of course people support mask mandates.
> will have eased up the censorship reflex present in some Western media/social platforms
You can say whatever you want about COVID on social media in the west -- worst case your post is displayed with a warning stating it may be misinformation (and there is a lot of misinformation on western social media).
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#127Earlier quoted context omitted.
Peter Zeihan says that they never secured a supply of mRNA vaccine. Instead, (partly because of national pride) they created their own non-mRNA vaccine, which does not work as well.
I don't know who Peter Zeihan is or what authority he claims, but you probably should stop listening to him if he spouts idiocy like this. The BioNTech vaccince - an mRNA vaccine - has been produced and shipped not just by Pfizer in the US but also by Fosun Shanghai, since all the way back in December 2020. If you know anyone in HK for instance, chances are high that they were vaccinated with Fosun mRNA vaccine. This…
For all intents and purposes, HK is not China. BioNTech shots were only available in HK, and not in mainland China, and data from HK's recent outbreak shows very clearly the Sinovac vaccine is an order of magnitude less effective than the BioNTech vaccine, at best.
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#128It is astounding to see that people don't revolt. Just get to the streets and kill everyone in uniform from whatever service they are, burn police stations and resume normal life. What will authorities do? Send the army into a 20M city?
They tried that in 1989. Might want to look up what happened in Tiananmen Square.
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#129what does china govt know that rest of the world doesn't know about current spread of virus...??? Such extreme measures make me think we are missing something
it's about losing face and showing the control, we are not missing anything, old population in China ain't vaccinated because they don't wanna show support for western vaccines and Chinese vaccines are inefficient and they wanna show all these lockdowns work and they are not for nothing, basically just obedience test
Honestly I don't understand them, they could easily sell their COVID zero strategy as big success since they waited out much more dangerous variants until this common cold aka Omicron and they should now let it roam across China freely without any restrictions, though even with fatality rate comparable with flu it will surely kill a huge number of Chinese just because of sheer population. It would still not contradict narrative that previous variants were very dangerous and required harsh measures.
Or maybe I'm looking at it from wrong angle and this is really not about COVID at all, it's just convenient way to keep people locked NoKo style with all these health apps, but once you lift restrictions you lose control over people under pretense of fight against deadly disease (which is really on par with common cold/flu).
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Or he's just acting in the interests of American corporations who in turn have financial interests in China. Not so much an organized conspiracy, but rather an emergent behavior from a system of common incentives. Like Chomsky describes in Manufacturing Consent.
> an emergent behavior from a system of common incentives
Who runs the world?!
The incentives.