Do you think the EU will enforce the law for non-US and non-EU companies like TikTok will disclose them? It will be interesting to see if they will uphold the law equally to all.
Google, Meta, others will have to explain algorithms under new EU legislation
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Re: Google, Meta, others will have to explain algorithms under new EU legislation
#122The new regulation requires a hand-wavey style explanation i.e build a retrieval / ranking / matching algorithm that learns from customer clicks and considers blah blah. There will be no explanation of the actual algorithm.
No explanation - no market. If you don't like it, you can run your business in another contract jurisdiction. I hope these companies will taste their own medicine, we desperately need competition
the person you're replying to is saying that their explanation will be trivial and thus useless in determining the responses.
I don't know if that's true or not myself though, since I haven't read myself.
Re: Google, Meta, others will have to explain algorithms under new EU legislation
#123That's going to be interesting to see if the whole credit scoring industry will have to disclose their algorithms as well.
Looking at you, Schufa.
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#124Earlier quoted context omitted.
I am very tired of the cookie/tracking popups on many websites that don't have option to "reject all" but just "accept all" and "customise". Main example being Google Search. Looking at this, I am hopeful but not too optimistic.
The « i dont care about coockies » plugin for firefox is superb at geting rid of that problem
I wouldn’t count on sites not tracking you until you actually saved your “custom preferences”.
Re: Google, Meta, others will have to explain algorithms under new EU legislation
#125That's going to be interesting to see if the whole credit scoring industry will have to disclose their algorithms as well. Looking at you, Schufa.
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Re: Google, Meta, others will have to explain algorithms under new EU legislation
#126That's going to be interesting to see if the whole credit scoring industry will have to disclose their algorithms as well. Looking at you, Schufa.
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I didn’t think I would see the day with a troll on HN. I doubt it’s an AI too because of the coherency of what they’re saying.
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#127Earlier quoted context omitted.
From a couple of days ago: https://blog.google/around-the-globe/google-europe/new-cooki...
Wow, best UX change from Google in sometime now.
Don't let the prose fool you. They're doing this because what they did before was in violation and the walls were closing in.
This reminds me of supermarkets in Germany loudly announcing that they would abandon plastic bags to save the environment ... a few weeks before legislation came into effect banning them from selling plastic bags.
Why wait until you're potentially facing fines if you can move slightly ahead and sell it as a voluntary good thing you do for your users/customers?
Re: Google, Meta, others will have to explain algorithms under new EU legislation
#128A good start. However let's go further, simply ban personal tracking and personalized algorithmic feeds. This would combat the echo chamber effect and social media can become a broad community experience, like TV and newspapers. It would also cripple tech advertising revenues, thus redressing the balance with traditional media.
> personalized algorithmic feeds
But there are good uses, like for music. I can’t really think of a downside for music tbh, it’s not like music tends to spread extremism, and on the upside lesser known artists have a better shot at being discovered through the algorithm.
Re: Google, Meta, others will have to explain algorithms under new EU legislation
#129If you read the article they're asking for more than explaining algorithms. Overall they want the the tech providers to be responsible. Explaining algorithms could, in theory, give away a competitive advantage. However fairness to users seems to be a priority in this decision.
I would love to first see a technical definition of fairness from EU that can be used to evaluate algorithms. That is a non-trivial detail often overlooked from these discussions.
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#130Earlier quoted context omitted.
Russia has recently shown, fake information is anything a dictator doesn't approve of. This isn't an issue of "limits on speech", but rather, another reminder that one shouldn't enable folks to become dictators. Not having some reasonable limits on actual misinformation makes us all less free, however, because we cannot put our trust in some organizations.
> Not having some reasonable limits on actual misinformation makes us all less free This is a step towards "freedom is slavery."
If I had a penny for every time someone referenced George Orwell without understanding his politics or even having read his books, I would have a lot of pennies.
I take it you believe the tolerance paradox also gives off 1984 vibes?