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5-min breathing workout lowers blood pressure as much as exercise, drugs (2021)

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Re: 5-min breathing workout lowers blood pressure as much as exercise, drugs (2021)

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Post by throwaway_1928 »

himyogi wrote: post #113
thenerdhead wrote: post #73

After reading Wim Hof and James Nestor a couple years ago during the pandemic, I used their techniques in full while battling long Covid. I had a blood pressure monitor and pulse oximeter on my bedside table that I would experiment with doing these various techniques and seeing my heart rate go down, my blood pressure go down, my anxiety would disappear, lung/chest inflammation would settle, and even oxygen levels in…

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This has happened with Pranayama before, when it was appropriated and rebranded as 'cardiac coherence breathing' [1] and 'diaphragmatic breathing' [2].

[1] https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/30/health/india-pranayama-yoga-c... [2] https://www.health.harvard.edu/healthbeat/learning-diaphragm...

Re: 5-min breathing workout lowers blood pressure as much as exercise, drugs (2021)

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Post by closeparen »

mysterypie wrote: post #106

> not necessarily meant to replace exercise I'm hoping someone can answer a question to which I've never heard a really satisfactory answer: Why does human health benefit from exercise whereas any kind of simple machine wears out with exercise? For example, doing a hundred stretches per day improves my health whereas stretching an elastic band 100 times per day will cause it to lose elasticity and soon destroy it. So…

The human body doesn’t shut down so much as idle. There are mechanical systems that don’t like to idle, like air cooled engines. Anything that maintains itself as part of vigorous operation (flushing out pipes, circulating lubricants or coolants) can get into trouble if not operated vigorously enough for too long. You need to “exercise” your car every few weeks or the battery dies.

Re: 5-min breathing workout lowers blood pressure as much as exercise, drugs (2021)

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Post by voxl »

windexh8er wrote: post #71
nyjah wrote: post #64

If you want to learn more about breathing I recommend checking out the book The Oxygen Advantage by Patrick Mckeown. It's got a bunch of different breathing exercises and ways to measure progress. It basically reteaches you how to breath too, which is fascinating on its own. Worth checking out for sure. https://www.amazon.com/Oxygen-Advantage-Scientifically-Breat...

Oxygen Advantage is a great book. I'd recommend James Nestor's - 'Breath' [0] as a first read, however. I feel like the book has more real world application and I picked up a number of things outside of what I learned studying Hof breathwork. I also studied, prior to both books, with Wim Hof in Poland in 2017 on one of his week long expeditions. The in person experience of group breath work is something to experience…

Did you read _any_ of the negative reviews for "Breath"? It sounds like pseudo science to me.

Re: 5-min breathing workout lowers blood pressure as much as exercise, drugs (2021)

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Post by rajup »

throwaway_1928 wrote: post #121
himyogi wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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This has happened with Pranayama before, when it was appropriated and rebranded as 'cardiac coherence breathing' [1] and 'diaphragmatic breathing' [2]. [1] https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/30/health/india-pranayama-yoga-c... [2] https://www.health.harvard.edu/healthbeat/learning-diaphragm...

Hah 'cardiac coherence breathing'! Nothing like using a few fancy sounding words for an age old technique to get the cash registers a'ringing...

Re: 5-min breathing workout lowers blood pressure as much as exercise, drugs (2021)

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Post by brigandish »

himyogi wrote: post #113
thenerdhead wrote: post #73

After reading Wim Hof and James Nestor a couple years ago during the pandemic, I used their techniques in full while battling long Covid. I had a blood pressure monitor and pulse oximeter on my bedside table that I would experiment with doing these various techniques and seeing my heart rate go down, my blood pressure go down, my anxiety would disappear, lung/chest inflammation would settle, and even oxygen levels in…

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It doesn't matter one iota if someone claims it as their own, what matters is the benefit it brings. Do you think Patanjali (or whomever) would be protective of their techniques and trademark it, patent it, and extract wealth for it?

If they don't care then neither should anyone else, and perhaps this will help the techniques spread further, which I'm sure Patanjali et al again, would not be against.

Re: 5-min breathing workout lowers blood pressure as much as exercise, drugs (2021)

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Post by KennyBlanken »

chubot wrote: post #78
thenerdhead wrote: post #73

After reading Wim Hof and James Nestor a couple years ago during the pandemic, I used their techniques in full while battling long Covid. I had a blood pressure monitor and pulse oximeter on my bedside table that I would experiment with doing these various techniques and seeing my heart rate go down, my blood pressure go down, my anxiety would disappear, lung/chest inflammation would settle, and even oxygen levels in…

I got a pulse oximeter a couple years ago too, and it was eye opening (before COVID, and I didn't get COVID). The realtime feedback is useful and actionable. Breathing more slowly, exhaling more than inhaling (counterintuitive), pausing, and breathing through the nose definitely make a difference for me. But everyone is a little different so you have to experiment. Breathing is very multidimensional and hard to expla…

If your oxygen level is varying significantly while at rest, you are very out of shape aerobically, and you should be getting more exercise, not obsessing about your breathing patterns.

Re: 5-min breathing workout lowers blood pressure as much as exercise, drugs (2021)

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girvo wrote: post #22

Okay, so I have some straight up anecdotal evidence done with a real blood pressure cuff by a trained medical professional for a related phenomenon. I have to get a buprenorphine injection monthly. As a part of this, they take my blood pressure. I was talking to the nurse, animatedly about the silly policies our state government has around electric scooters, as she was taking my blood pressure. She didn't read out bo…

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Re: 5-min breathing workout lowers blood pressure as much as exercise, drugs (2021)

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Post by rajup »

brigandish wrote: post #125
himyogi wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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It doesn't matter one iota if someone claims it as their own, what matters is the benefit it brings. Do you think Patanjali (or whomever) would be protective of their techniques and trademark it, patent it, and extract wealth for it? If they don't care then neither should anyone else, and perhaps this will help the techniques spread further, which I'm sure Patanjali et al again, would not be against.

Meh. It's cultural appropriation which a sufficient number of people do care about, whether or not you like it.

Re: 5-min breathing workout lowers blood pressure as much as exercise, drugs (2021)

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Post by ParoxysmalVigor »

mysterypie wrote: post #106

> not necessarily meant to replace exercise I'm hoping someone can answer a question to which I've never heard a really satisfactory answer: Why does human health benefit from exercise whereas any kind of simple machine wears out with exercise? For example, doing a hundred stretches per day improves my health whereas stretching an elastic band 100 times per day will cause it to lose elasticity and soon destroy it. So…

Rubber band can't dynamically detect and repair weared off molecule clusters.

Mammals are highly adoptive by the design, a living organism consists of trillions programmed and partially controllable nanomachines.

Body has autonomous and centralised systems, which checks and sends hormonal signals and redistribute resources from other parts and could directly command specific cell groups to grow or change behavior in a chance to increase organism survivability.

Re: 5-min breathing workout lowers blood pressure as much as exercise, drugs (2021)

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Post by brigandish »

rajup wrote: post #128
brigandish wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn't matter one iota if someone claims it as their own, what matters is the benefit it brings. Do you think Patanjali (or whomever) would be protective of their techniques and trademark it, patent it, and extract wealth for it? If they don't care then neither should anyone else, and perhaps this will help the techniques spread further, which I'm sure Patanjali et al again, would not be against.

Meh. It's cultural appropriation which a sufficient number of people do care about, whether or not you like it.

From the first definition I found:

> Cultural appropriation refers to the use of objects or elements of a non-dominant culture in a way that reinforces stereotypes or contributes to oppression and doesn't respect their original meaning or give credit to their source. It also includes the unauthorized use of parts of their culture (their dress, dance, etc.) without permission.

I await Patanjali to serve papers that use of his intellectual property isn't allowed, apparently because it reinforces stereotypes or contributes to oppression.

Maybe we'll hear about the Buddha's thoughts on copyright next and how derivative works are unauthorized.

I refuse to disguise my disdain for this idea.

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